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Goosen criticises Old Course change

Describes extension to 17th as unnecessary


Posted: 21 October 2009
by Golfmagic correspondent

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The 17th tee on the Old Course at St Andrews will be extended behind the crowd line at the bottom of the picture

  Plans to extend the Road Hole (17th) on the Old Course at St Andrews in time for the 2010 Open championship have been criticised by double major champion Retief Goosen.

R&A officials have announced that a new tee is to be built on the practice ground behind the Old Course hotel, lengthening the dogleg par-4 hole by 35 yards to 490 yards.

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Outspoken: Goosen challenges 17th hole decision

But the 40-year-old South African believes rules changes governing the size of grooves on club faces will be more than enough to make the world famous Road Hole more difficult and that lengthening it is unnecessary.

For the 2010 Open the tee shot across the disused railway line (over the wire fence behind the tee) will be longer and Goosen said: "I don't know why they want to do that. It's such a great hole anyway – so much can happen on it."

He says changes to clubface groove regulations will reward greater accuracy and shot making, reducing the advantage gained by the big-hitters.

"We're going back to the smaller grooves as well, so it's going to become even more difficult to hit that green. I don't think it's the right thing. If you play it downwind then you're hitting a driver and a 7- or 8-iron but into the wind I've played it when you couldn't reach the green.

"I hope they keep the forward tees because if we play into the wind we won't reach it in two."

However the R&A's Peter Dawson commented: "It has long been suggested that the 17th hole would benefit from additional length to restore the original challenge of the hole. At the 1964 Open Henry Cotton recommended the alteration when he said 'I would make a tee just beyond the railway line on the other course (the Eden Course is now the practice range). It would restore this drive to its former value.'

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Peter Dawson: 'hole needed to change.'

Added Dawson: "An increased premium will be placed on an accurate drive of sufficient length over the former (railway) sheds, encouraging players to take driver from the tee.

"The fairway will be widened slightly on the left-side to ensure that the tee shot remains fair.

"Crucially, the difficulty of the second shot will be re-established, making it more difficult to hold the approach on the putting surface and increasing the threat posed by both the road behind the green and the Road Hole bunker."

The R&A's points out that the 17th was played at the same yardage in 1900 as it was in 2005 and this fuelled their belief that the formidable challenge of this iconic hole should be returned for the Open Championship in 2010.

Said Dawson: "Over the years we have seen the threat from the road behind the green, and to a lesser extent the Road Bunker, diminished as players have been hitting shorter irons for their approach shots allowing them to avoid these hazards more easily.

"This change will ensure that the hole plays as it was originally intended."

Tell us on the forum: What are your experiences of playing the 17th Road Hole at St Andrews.


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In the light of the changes to the 17th hole at St Andrews and the criticisms levelled by Retief Goosen, tell us your experiences of playing the Road Hole on the Old Course.
Posted: 21/10/2009 11:36

Goose is spot on.  I thought when I read the original report that it was daft.  It isn't as if the Pros are murdering this hole!  Even with a helping wind, there is rough on the left and OB (ok very wide) right ...that's before you get near a certain bunker.

I have only played it once...made a 5.  All week I dream of belting a fade over the "old sheds"....but a nervy pull left into the semi resulted!  A decent rescue club got me just short right of the green.  An equally nervy chip and two putts later and I was pleased to run off to the last tee.

Whatever next?  Digging up the greens to replace them with USPA standard "single greens?"  Fill in the Beardies and remark some nice "modern" fairway bunkers that a 12 handicapper can wallop a 6 iron onto the green?   


Posted: 21/10/2009 12:23

Agree as above.

I actually think that the distance the pros hit it at the moment hurts them on the road hole as it is. To find the fairway they now have to start the ball off so far right that it really is in danger of going through the window of room 214. Either that or be fading the ball towards the OOB which isn't something that they will want to do.

From what I saw @ the Dunhill Links almost every pro's 2nd shot was from the rough down the left hand side, they either played out to the front right edge or tried to go left to the 18th tee.

Hardly a pitch & putt hole is it!!


Posted: 21/10/2009 12:36

I have just found the following....

2005 Open difficulty ranking 1, stroke average 4.63

2000 Open difficulty ranking 1, stroke average 4.71

........nuff said? 


Posted: 21/10/2009 13:09

The difficulty is all in the second shot and the green. Unless my memory is going almost no one hit driver off 17 at the 2005 Open, most were hitting a fairway wood but quite a few were hitting irons. So I've no problem with them making the drive a bit tougher.
Posted: 21/10/2009 13:25

The Henry Cotton quote is being used wrongly.  At that time the hole was a par 5 not a par 4.  They are making a huge mistake!!
Posted: 21/10/2009 14:47

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