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Golf's authorities are set to demand a ball that flies shorter off the tee for professionals to use. What do you think?


Posted: 1 August 2005
by Bob Warters


Daly - benefits from long ball hitting

A key talking point at next week’s, fourth major of the year, the US PGA Championship at Baltusrol, is bound to be the golf ball.

It’s nearly six months since the USGA and R&A contacted the manufacturers requesting them to submit prototype golf balls that will fly and roll 15-20 yards shorter than standard.

The authorities believe that the traditional, classic courses like Baltusrol, Pinehurst, Sandwich, St Andrews and even Augusta National, are being overwhelmed by new technology.

And more and more players are reaching astonishing distances previously only achieved by Tiger Woods and John Daly.

The time has come, they believe, to stop adding yardage by extending tees and start reining back the ball.

Drivers have been restricted by the amount of flexibility allowed in the clubface but players are getting fitter and stronger so the ball is all that’s left, they claim, to work on.

Said the USGA senior technical director Dick Rugge in a memo to ball-makers: "We believe it’s appropriate to give golf ball manufacturers an opportunity to participate in the research project and become involved in the rule change process if that becomes necessary.

"We expect that testing balls made to conform to the reduced limits will enable an appropriate evaluation of how a reduced distance golf ball would affect playing of the game."

Organisers of the US Masters, who originally suggested having an exclusive restricted-distance ball for use only at Augusta National, are understood to be fully behind the project, results from which are expected by the end of the year.

While some manufacturers are behind any planned restrictions, specifically for equipment used in professional tournaments, others believe it’s a knee jerk reaction on behalf of the authorities.

For example Dean Snell, senior director for research and development of golf balls at TaylorMade-Maxfli believes the focus on the ball is short-sighted.

Golfers, specifically those at the elite level now swing faster with longer clubs and less fear, he says.

"The key change is that Tour level balls now spin off the driver just like two-piece distance balls. It’s not some new, enhanced ball speed characteristic," says Snell.

His alternative is to reduce the width of fairways.

"Give the top players challenges by cutting the fairways differently in that 290-320 range. If you want to try to hit it 340, you can. But if you don't hit it straight, then you could be in trouble. To make a change to the golf ball is very tough. It's a lot easier to grow some rough."

How will this affect the average golfer? Will we be forced to use geared-down balls in club medals in the future? Do we care?

Tell us on the forum by responding to the thread below.


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Cut back the distance the pros are hitting the ball and therefore save the old course from extinction or narrow the fairways and grow the rough to put a premium on accuracy? Or should be simply leave it alone for technology to take its course
Posted: 29/07/2005 16:52

If you tighten the fairways, it won't stop the big boys bombing it 310 yard and still having a short iron into most greens. The amount of spin achieveable on the new golf balls even from rough allows them a level of control never seen before.

I think they have to develop a tournament ball, limiting the distances they can hit. Otherwise, all new courses being built will be closer and closer to 8000 yards and will be useless to us lesser mortals as they are ultimately designed to be played from the back sticks.
Posted: 29/07/2005 17:13

If they set a limit for the ball for pros its easy on them because they dont pay for their balls in the first place.

AS for us amateurs they could set a future date for the balls say 2008 because by then most balls currently in use will be so scuffed as to be unplayable.

For the ball manufacturers it must be a win/win situation because we all have to carry on buying balls regardless of what the specification is. If all current balls become not allowable at a certain date just imagine how many they will sell around the change over date.
Posted: 29/07/2005 17:26

tigher fairways
deeper rough
fairway bunkers IN THE FAIRWAY
Posted: 29/07/2005 17:46

Got to grow the rough up so the bombers can't chip out onto the green.The top players all bomb it 300yards but if you look they are not very accurate and compared to past players such as Jack, they are well down on the accuracy stats.By growing the rough up, this places more emphasis on accuracy.
Lengthening courses just taylors it more towards the bombers,and us poor club members are left with a stupidly long course to play the rest of the year.
I don't believe tournament balls are the answer as then the pros would have to practice with these as well,this would tricke down to us mere mortals.It's nice to switch balls to suit the conditions.
Posted: 29/07/2005 18:11

Grow the rough to the point where bombing it miles and playing a short iron or wedge out of the rough to the pin is not a realistic option. Maybe narrow the fairways nearer the greens too.
Posted: 29/07/2005 19:22

fairways should be no wider than 20yds from 75yds in to the green
Posted: 29/07/2005 19:25

Ban drivers in their present forms.
Posted: 29/07/2005 19:31

Limiting the ball isnt the answer. They need to prepare the courses so they reward accuracy. At the moment they dont and all the big guns just hit it, find it and hit it again. Penalise them if they are wayward and actually have bunkers that prevent them from hitting the green
Posted: 29/07/2005 20:26

I'll go with the "toughen up the courses" view.

It's not feasible to restrict the ball, and it's a legal minefield.

As already suggested - narrow fairways after 280 yards, and thicken the rough / place deep bunkers around this point. More of a risk and reward element to driving.

For pro tournaments only, I'd also restrict driver head size to 350 cc max, and cut the number of clubs allowed to 12.
Posted: 29/07/2005 20:32

Remove dimples from balls.
Posted: 29/07/2005 21:28

McAlan course's seem tough enough to me as they stand, for the pro's the reason i feel they bomb the course is they know most of the time the ball will be found, spectator's/officials. What if the pro's were not allowed help finding there ball by anybody, they have to find on their own, allow them 1 ball per round, let them carry their own club's also, maybe not.
Posted: 29/07/2005 21:43

I slice my £200 driver just as much as my £30 driver , with the same P wedge that droped short and right in the burn last week i flew the green this week with the same club and i have a set of clevlend irons , it doesnt matter about equipment A player still has to perform
Posted: 29/07/2005 23:46

From what I gather a lot of preparation goes into getting the course ready for a pro tournament, such as cutting the rough, etc. Why not leave te course in a slightly more 'unprepared' state, after all, thats what we all play. I say toughen up the course, technology will always find ways round the restrictions. Anyone remeber the uproar when they banned turbo's from F1 cars to slow them down? They are quicker now without them.
Posted: 30/07/2005 00:29

There has been a lot of talk about increasing the driver degree to a minimum of 15 degrees and a 10 club bag.

However I believe that since this won't happen nor will it curtail the technology onslaught since it’s a multi million if not multi billion market.

Therefore what is left, which can be done in an almost over night fashion (next two years, I say over night since it’s going to take until 2008 until the C.O.R. rating ruling comes into effect).

1. Much tighter greens with more hazards.
2. Far smaller bail out areas.
3. Narrower fairways.
4. Bunkers that in general do punish the player for landing in them, I think St Andrews have done this well as most are coffin style, or so steep fronted that you have to play out side ways or backward.

With approaches to greens harder it will be fair harder to drive a short par 4 since the risk may make it even less worth it.

Only problem I can see with trying to retro fit an old course to cope with the modern game, we might also spoil the game much like F1 has became.

Posted: 30/07/2005 00:40

We can't dig up all the famous old links and sprinkle them with new bunkers willy-nilly. Simpler to restrict the ball. It wouldn't have to be by much either.
Got to say, the power Woods showed at St Andrews has brought the issue to the fore, but he is an exceptional player... not all the pros were hitting 400 yard drives.
Posted: 30/07/2005 08:21

Courses get a lot of criticism for lengething holes (e.g. Augusta), but I don't see the problem.

If the average driving distance has increased by 20 yards, then it's wholly appropriate to move the tee back the same distance.

Where this falls down, of course, is on old courses with no room to expand.
Posted: 30/07/2005 08:24

When I read all the points about changing the courses I wonder how many people give any real thought to the financial implications of such to the average club.
eg
Every new bunker is not just about the cost of putting in a new bunker its also about the cost of maintaining the bunker. I did hear a quote from one of our committee members (but obviously have no access to the actual figures) he said that each bunker costs on average £5000 per year to maintain. Now that is not just the costs of two sand refills per year but where I play most bunkers are completely rebuilt about every five years plus the costs of edging the and redigging the sand on a fairly frequent basis.
I dont hold that the 5000 is realistic but say 2000*18=36000 per year additional running costs with say an average membership of 600 is an extra £60 on subs.
Which equates to 4 dozen balls at £15 /doz.

Whilst agreeing that growing the rough is an answer it is one we tried some years ago at our club but there was such a hue and cry from the higher handicao and in particular the lady member who did not have the strength to get the ball out of the deep rough that we reverted. (Look at what happened in the US Ladies Open this year)
Posted: 30/07/2005 12:18


Taz
It has to be restricting ball performance as Jim quite rightly says courses can be spoilt for average players by tricking them up to suit pro's.

A tournament ball (e.g.traditional wound balata) restricted in distance, would do the job.

However, like Formula 1, expect the manufacturers to continue developing equipment. Are not tournament shuttlecocks for badminton still made from leather and feathers - whereas general play ones are plastic?
Posted: 30/07/2005 14:46

Almost Al, cork and feather, good player's say they prefer the feel of cork n feather over the synthetic type's.
Posted: 30/07/2005 15:56

I think we need to realise that, in terms of the UK, it's only a handful of courses that host top flight pro events. It's these that need to look at their set up, as I don't think the R&A and the USGA have the balls (pardon the pun) to take on Titleist et al. The remainder of the courses need no tricking up, as we hackers can't exploit club & ball technology to the same extent as the pro's.

But I like the point about the dimples. I'd forgotten that I'd posted a comment on GM a few months back regarding Johnny Miller, who suggested "spaces" between the dimples on the ball.
Posted: 30/07/2005 19:07

Agree with you McAlan. The courses we play arent going to host tour events. We may once in a while treat ourselves to a round at one of the courses and unless its a couple of weeks before or after an event then they shouldnt be any different to normal (bunkers aside)
Posted: 30/07/2005 19:10

Thanks, Nick. As an aside... I hadn't noticed your h'cap now down to 11. Nice one!
Posted: 30/07/2005 20:24

Cheers. Medal tomorrow so probably go up!
Posted: 30/07/2005 21:03

Mc A
I do not agree with the comment about hackers being unable to exploit the technology. A couple of medals ago I played with a 22 handicap player who was consistently hitting the ball around 300 yards with his drives. Which on the day was also consistently 30+ yards past me and probably hit around 60% of the fairways.

I would not actually use the term to hacker to describe a 22 handicap player but I think it illustrates my point.
Posted: 31/07/2005 09:47

JimP your point about adding more bunkers may be valid cost wise et al but some what irrelevant when we are talking about world class courses use by the pro's and for pro tournaments (as per Bob's original post).

These course granted do not have bottom less pits of money but could easily add a bunker here and there, as most of them do under the guise of course refurbishment from year to year. As we know the UK "world class" golf courses are among the most expensive to be a member or to pay and play with a round running into the hundreds of pounds.

At a club level I cannot see the equipment problem being all that bad since the players are not nearly consistent enough to warrant these measures. Aswell as people already pay enough for equipment why can’t they go to their local course and for the 3 – 4 hours it takes them to get round have the feeling that they might drive aswell as the Tiger’s of this world.



Posted: 31/07/2005 17:40

Jim, I take your point, but it's not quite what I meant. Yes, with modern equipment and balls, an average club player can exploit it to hit the ball further. But as they don't ally distance to consistency in the way that a pro does, there's no need to toughen up club courses as a result.
Posted: 31/07/2005 20:29

I am enjoying my golf more than ever and part of that is down to todays equipment and the distance it gives. I would HATE for that to be taken away and spoil my enjoyment
Posted: 31/07/2005 21:04

On a local level we have this debate.
The single figure handicappers complain that a high handicap player is not penalised for poor shots or they do not gain an advantage from being in the fairway.
Early this year the rough was allowed to grow with the result that most players were losing two to three balls a round.
Translate that to pro golf, do we really want to see golfers searching 5 minutes for balls, Sorrenson yesterday, or players hitting great drives.
If the fairways are tight the long hitters will take Irons, think American PGA or Muirfield.
Tiger is a great golfer because he has a great short game, Faldo won his majors when he was the best chipper and putter, had to be to win at Augusta.
Els and Olazabal are great bunker players.

The Americans put water hazzards on courses when the sand wedge made bunker play to easy for proffesionals, but club golfers still have problems with sand.
In summary whatever is done to courses, and growing the rough is the easiest mistake to correct, great golfers will always have good days and club golfers will always have bad days, Tiger was , if I remeber correctly, the only golfer to break 70 on all four rounds at St. Andrews in calm weather.
Let nature defend the courses from low scores, if the wind really blows it is a different game but we cannot organise that.

Posted: 01/08/2005 08:36

The fairways should get narrower around the 260 yard mark, so that the average to longer hitters may have to think twice about taking out the 'big dog'.
Posted: 01/08/2005 11:12

Simple solution maybe.
Allow high handiccapers all conforming club's
Remove certain clubs from lower handicapper's and pro's.
Course's should not be tricked up like the U.S, leave them alone.
Manufacture's would hardly be affected either as the majority of player's are high handicapper's.
Posted: 01/08/2005 12:02

stupid idea, my reason why -

a young and talented golfer spends his early years getting his handicap down and preparing for the tour, gets on tour and struggles in his rookie year because his yardages and pretty much entire game has changed.

I think people should stop worrying about a pro hitting 350 now and again and realise that rough is no good either as a staight 350 aint going in the rough.

For a deabte about length instead of accuracy why are we debating rough at the sides.

Surely hazards at 290 - 310 - 330 would prove trickier. Any how, not every ball is hit 300 +, and i know guys that have hit 300 for 10 years, they were long then and long now and comparitively they are longer than the short boys, who in turn tend to have better short games, ie Corey Pavin,

length is no biggy.


Posted: 01/08/2005 13:08

Another thing

Why is the average club golfer looking to punish the better player again. You already get your handicaps.
Posted: 01/08/2005 13:09

I agree with ace, lots of long hitters spend their time in the woods and in no ther sport would club golfer be able to compete with pros.
Leave well alone.
Posted: 01/08/2005 16:12

definitely a no to additional length and also I would rather not see pro specific golf balls etc. I think the powers that be seem to just have a big hangup over scores being too low. I like seeing birdies and eagles so have no issue on that front. However I also like to see testing shots and the odd disaster. So toughening up landing areas, bunkers and greens seems to be the answer.
Posted: 01/08/2005 16:29

I agree with Ace in that why are we just trying to curb the big hitters by changing the course thats a very one sided view and unfair . By changing the ball the difference affects everybody equally.

Whilst I would also note that people have been hitting the ball over 300 yards for years (and I do include myself in that) is that very often that was not with a 90 compression wound balata ball. The difference with modern balls is that you now get all the distance whilst retaining all the spin characteristics of a balata ball around the green.
Posted: 01/08/2005 17:14

I think a combination of increasing the accuracy requirement and curtailing the technology should produce the right effect. I personally don't want the courses set up so that anyone taking the gamble with the driver becomes an also ran on the first day of a tournament just 'cause he got stuck in the rough that has been grown 8ft high and as dense as a jungle just for one tournament. There has to be that reward for taking on the shot and suceeding.

However, with the game as it is for the tour players, not the average handicapper or even very low handicapper, the older courses are losing the fear factor. I think St.Andrews got the balance right this year and the only reason very low scores were posted was due to the benign conditions.

At least the R&A/PGA are trying to include the manufacturers to come up with a solution. It may not be the ball that needs modifying but until things are tried then the discussion and claims wil keep going round in circles. Certainly we don't want an F1 type situation with new rulings on technology every year.
Posted: 01/08/2005 17:19

The courses should be made harder so that it is a tougher test for pros. If courses are over 8000 yards then so what? club golfers wont use those tees will they? we can use the forward tees so that our lacking distance isnt such a factor, but accuracy is instead. Keep technology, keep making courses longer and harder, but have forward tees for the members so they can concentrate on accuracy which they have, instead of power which they will never likely get.
Posted: 01/08/2005 20:16

For pro's, the "guidelines" on what constitutes a par 3 /4 / 5 need to be adjusted.

Too many par 5's in pro events are easy birdies. 499 yds and less should be a par 4 for these boys.

I've nothing against seeing lots of birdies, I'd just like to see them earned.
Posted: 01/08/2005 21:34

At the Open this year Tiger on plenty of tee's decided that a 3 wood or even an iorn was a fair better choice to take and he still melted these shots so I have to agree with Ace here.
Posted: 02/08/2005 00:55

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