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Join the debate on which you prefer as Champ re-introduces the metal spike because it's safer in winter.


Posted: 14 November 2005
by Bob Warters


Side view of the Pro Stinger metal spike

Metal spikes in golf shoes are making a comeback. But while many of us will be grateful for the added stability they give us in wet, winter conditions, others will be pulling their hair out because of the damage they can do to greens.

Champ, one of the leading manufacturers of screw-in spikes for shoes is launching a new Pro Stinger metal spike designed, they say, ‘to update metal spike technology into the 21st century.’

"We wanted to engineer a spike that would perform better than existing metal spikes, using the latest technology to provide the best possible traction," says Harris MacNeill, whose US company created the Champ brand and the successful Scorpion Stinger soft spike.

Until the flexible soft ‘cleat’ was introduced around five years ago the soft crunch of metal spiked shoes on tarmac and concrete was a familiar sound of ‘golfer approaching’ on many courses.


Metal spike surrounded by plastic stabilizers

The spider-like cleat, however, was proved to be far more forgiving than metal spikes for golfers walking an 18-hole round and less damaging to carefully tended greens. Metal spikes tended to tear the surface and leave the dreaded ‘spike marks’, which under the Rules of Golf ‘may not be repaired on the line of a putt.’

You also need fewer of them on each shoe (often seven compared to 11 or 12) to retain similar traction.

Indeed many clubs introduced a ‘softspike only’ or ‘softspike preferred’ policy – such had been the volume of complaints from players following a golfer wearing metal spikes on to a green, and leaving a tell-tale trail of torn grass shoots.

However, a key downside in softspikes is that in damp conditions, they tend to clog with grass and mud – reducing their traction in the golf swing and often proving hazardous when walking on downslopes.

The makers of the new Pro Stinger claim that not only is their product user-friendly but green-friendly, too. With four ‘traction points’ featuring a single 6mm hardened steel tip surrounded by three sets of soft, flexible teeth and six recessed pods which prevent foot rotation.

Says MacNeill: "The case has been made for regulating courses to use plastic cleats only in the UK, but I find that highly irresponsible.

"Plastic cleats are known to get clogged and churn up greens, especially in winter conditions and we would argue in favour of a two-season approach, where green-friendly plastic cleats are worn in summer and metal ones in winter, when they do less damage and offer more stability and safety to golfers."


Pack comes complete with a wrench

He backs his remarks by claiming Champ metal spikes are becoming increasingly preferred on Tour with almost a third of players on the US PGA Tour and one-in-five in Europe choosing metal spikes.

Pro Stinger metal spikes are sold at most golf stores and pro shops in packs (£9.99 including a wrench) with a choice of three fastening systems - Q-Lok, Tri-Lok and the standard small thread - to fit most shoes, including FootJoy, adidas and Etonic.

What’s your view in the soft spike v metal spike debate? Tell us on the forum.


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Which do you prefer? The comfort of soft spikes year-round or the stability of metal spikes during the winter with the risk that they can damage greens?
Posted: 14/11/2005 11:39

Thorny subject for me right now as my course only alows soft spikes all year round. Reality is it much easier to make good ball contact using metal spikes in winter soft conditions. We just need to take care when walking on the greens (lift you feet properly) so as not to drag them.
Posted: 14/11/2005 11:51

This could end the arguement.

CLEMSON TURFGRASS RESEARCH FINDS
LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN GOLF SHOE SPIKES

CLEMSON -- A growing trend among golf courses is to ban metal spikes in favor of the "soft" variety. The intent is to reduce wear and tear on greens.

"Actually, soft spikes are no better, and no worse on golf greens than the traditional metal spikes," said Clint Waltz, a Ph. D. candidate in horticulture at Clemson University.

He spoke about results from a five-month research project during a Sept. 15 Turfgrass Research and Education Field Day at Clemson. About 275 golf course superintendents and others involved in the turfgrass industry were given their first look at a new 20,000-square-foot creeping bentgrass research green located next to the Walker Course at the university.

Waltz said the makers of Foot-Joy golf shoes funded a study to see how 15 different styles of shoes affected turfgrass quality. The styles included no spikes, several types of soft cleats and traditional metal spikes. Plots were 1.5 feet x 14 feet and replicated three times.

Students were hired to walk each plot 40 times a day, six days a week, from late March to the end of August in order to simulate 30,000 rounds of golf. Plots were visually evaluated for turfgrass quality and wear stress, while speed was evaluated with a U.S. Golf Association (USGA) Stimpmeter.

Waltz said that soft spikes caused more wear stress early in the study. Metal spikes began causing more stress in mid-July, more than three months after the study began.

"For turf health, your best bet is to do what you can to alleviate excessive traffic in any one area," he said. "Use good design to move traffic across the greens, and move your pin placements to give the turf time to rest.

"Excessive traffic is going to wear the turf no matter what type of sole you have, whether it's soft spikes or traditional metal spikes," Waltz said. "Leave the choice of soles to the membership."

Clemson turfgrass researcher Bert McCarty said the new research green is subdivided into 10 blocks, each controlled separately in terms of irrigation and drainage.

"We can catch leachates from each block, as well as use SubAir equipment to pull or push subsurface air into each block, to see how that affects the quality of bentgrass during times of high stress," McCarty said.

The field day audience also visited plots where varieties of bentgrass, bermudagrass, zoysia, St. Augustine, centipede, buffalograss and fescue were being evaluated. Disease and weed management were also discussed, as well as different materials used to construct golf greens and a project which will evaluate the use of microorganisms in the soil to improve turf quality.

Will Holroyd, president of the South Carolina Turfgrass Foundation, was pleased with the facilities, the research and attendance.

"Clemson's commitment to turfgrass is very impressive," Holroyd said. He is especially interested in research that is planned to investigate the effects of subsurface air movement on the new green.

According to Landon Miller, Clemson Extension Service turfgrass specialist, South Carolina is home to 384 golf courses and revenues derived directly from golf in the state amount to about $644 million each year.

Posted: 14/11/2005 12:12

Well spotted JB ! I shall pass this onto my club and see what happens.
Posted: 14/11/2005 12:23

My course gets really firm in the summer, softspikes are fine and much more comfortable at that time of year. I always wear metal in the winter for added grip, especially on wet tee mats.

Its got to the stage where i always carry 2 pairs of shoes, one softspikes, one metal, just in case.
Posted: 14/11/2005 12:37

I asked for advice on spikes a month ago, and Big Al gave me the metal spikes for saftey answer, he was spot on as metal spikes won't damage the winter greens I play on.

They also don't pick up as much mud and loose grass as soft spikes do yet give me safer footing on wet slippy grass banks or wooden bridges.
Posted: 14/11/2005 13:00

mmm...we had all our wooden bridges covered in astroturf a couple of years ago after some slipped in metal spikes and broke their wrist!!!!
Posted: 14/11/2005 13:04

Black Widow soft spikes are better in all conditions in my opinion.
Posted: 14/11/2005 13:39


Taz
Clubs have a responsibility for the safety of their golfers - ours advises metal spikes in the winter. If they didn't they would have to cover all the wooden steps and bridges with astroturf or chicken wire to prevent slipping. No way do plastic cleats give a safe grip on icy or wet wooden sleepers, or concrete paths.
Posted: 14/11/2005 14:28

Cannot beat metal spikes for traction over the plastic ones however cannot beat metal spikes for ripping up the green.
Posted: 14/11/2005 14:43

Other researh has indicated that "soft spike only" facilities are having to work harder than before to prevent thatch. Metal spikes provided some aeration.

And plastic spikes can make an even bigger mess of a green. Ever seen the damage casued by some clog dancer who doesn't lift his feet properly when walking? Or who decides spinning on one foot is an acceptable way to show frustration at a missed putt?

Posted: 14/11/2005 14:49

A friend of mine wearing soft spikes slipped and broke his leg and fractured his ankle just a few weeks ago(late October)so should be some time before he plays again.I prefer spikes for a better grip,
Ben.
Posted: 15/11/2005 18:09

I find shoft spikes better for me, have not had the problem with the GC not allowing them so do not worry. Soft spikes are more comfy walking from car to cousre:^)
Posted: 15/11/2005 18:14

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Posted: 15/11/2005 18:15

I am delighted that the spike debate is at last receiving some profile. I recently badly wrenched a knee when the soft spikes I was using became matted with damp grass and the shoes were no better than a pair of ice skates. Not only are metal spikes more stable in most conditions, they are easier to clean and in my opinion do little or no more damage to greens than soft spikes.
Like most things I believe the trend to soft spikes was part of an advertising hype- golf being a massive market, let's think of something else to sell the suckers; just like stupid new tees, a new golf club model every month etc. etc. Yes I am a cynic and I suppose a traditionalist.
Posted: 15/11/2005 20:11


SBL
Generally I prefer soft spikes other than in the depths of Winter. My course has a few high level bridges that are covered in a "conveyor" type matting but during frosty or icy conditions are seriously hazardous to say the least. Metal spikes are definitely needed at these times. A point that I have noticed is that even in good conditions, soft spikes tend to chew up the tee more as I move during the swing.
Posted: 15/11/2005 20:28

Each Club needs to do their own Risk Assessment.They should also display appropriate warning signs. I am sure that if they have raised, grassed slopes to Tees or Sleepered Steps then the Risk Assessment would come down in favour of traditional Spikes.Personally I shall be going for the Champ Pro Stinger.Whichever you use make sure you pick your feet up on the Greens!
Posted: 16/11/2005 08:22

I prefer soft spikes, because at my club soft spikes are allowed in the clubhouse and metal spikes arn't. This therefore reduces the time it takes to get from the 18th to 19th greatly
Posted: 16/11/2005 08:44

A few observations.

1. When walking across car parks, on paths etc, metal spikes, over time, burr. When in this condition, the spikes pull out tufts of grass on the greens. Very annoying for those in the groups following the offending golfer.

2. Generally, it is 'old duffers' who persist with metal spikes. They are now at an age where carpet slippers are the norm, and so drag their feet. Metal spikes are longer and cause even more damage.

3. A course ran its own experiment. For a season, half the practice green was metal spikes only, the other half was soft spikes only. The difference in condition was so pronounced, next season, metal spikes were banned.

4. Grip. I have not experienced any loss of footing wearing soft spikes. I do, however, pick out the excess of grass at regular intervals during wet conditions. Do it a bit at a time, while playing partners are playing their shot.

Ian
Posted: 16/11/2005 09:00


Taz
I use soft spikes when the weather is suitable
Soft spikes are dangerous during the winter months in this country - this has now been acknowledged by sensible clubs, whose advisers warn them of potential litigation if they insist on a soft spike policy.
Spike manufacturers, such as Champ, also admit that their soft spikes are not suitable for British winter conditions - hence the development of a better traditional spike.

Personally I couldn't give a stuff about those who wish to use softs, they take the risk - just as long as I am allowed to wear steels for my own safety.
Posted: 16/11/2005 09:21

My course states Soft Spikes in the summer and Metal spikes in the winter -- Soft pick up mud and dirt and mark the greens in frosty conditions, for safety use metal in the winter, they also give better traction.
Posted: 16/11/2005 16:58

I went through the spike arguement with a SoftSpike sales chap a couple of years ago. He gave me all the bull***t about better traction etc. and tried to bombard me with Tour statistics that in the end I turned around on him. Needless to say he didn't contact me again.

I cannot recall the exact figures but out of the total players on the US Tour the majority wore soft spikes of some description. Not surprising really, when most of the shoe manufacturers have ceased providing shoes with metal spikes. Since most of the lesser players don't recieve sponsorships they are stuck with the same shoes as us even lesser mortals!

Out of the top 20 approximately 2/3rds wore steel spikes and theh top 5 which then included Mickleson, Els and Woods all wore steel spikes.

A lot of the top pro's wear FootJoy Classics which at the time were the only model in the range fitted with 11 spikes in each shoe. There are no other shoes that now feature an 11 spike system, most of them only have 7.

Ben Hogan had extra spikes to the normal 11 fitted to his shoes - check the Merion photograph!

Of course the factory fitted soft-spikes can be replaced by steel spikes but 7 metal spikes do not have as good as traction as 11.

7 "brand-new" soft-spikes give excellent comfort and traction when it is dry. When it is wet they are lethal.

My opinion is that the provision of the alledgedly superior soft-spike is nothing to do with our safety. It is down to cost and profit margins. It must be cheaper to churn out molded plastic than tungsten tipped engineered spikes. However, the cost savings do not get passed on to us. Even with moving production to the Far-East the cost of a pair of shoes gets even more expensive.

I still have a pair of the old FootJoy dimple soles. They are as good now as the day I bought them, (apart from a bit of wear). I still use them to go down the driving range or walk round at tournaments as a spectator. Unfortunately shoes that do not wear are not good news for the manufacturers.

Soft-spikes wear out very very quickly. The old Metalite spikes with tungsten tips never wore out, the shoes rotted before the spikes showed wear. Quite often you could take the old spikes out and use them in another pair of shoes after the original shoes had give up the ghost!

A Black-Widow has 8 prongs. Multiply that by 14 for 2 shoes, then multiply it by 4 for a Four-ball - that's about 128 prongs wandering around a green at any one time, (as against a maximum of 88 if 11 steel spikes are fitted). The green (and the course), would be getting aerated with steel spikes and not getting so compacted as with plastic spikes.

Bring back Tungsten tipped Metalite spikes they are sorely missed.



The top guys get their shoes for nothing (due to sponsorships and endorsements).
Posted: 16/11/2005 19:03

"When it is wet they are lethal."

I have been wearing them year round for ages.

I am still alive.

They are not lethal. Thought of going into journalism? bird flu is popular at the moment........

Posted: 16/11/2005 19:16

Nice post Brian. Wholeheartly agree, when it is wet, they are lethal.
Posted: 16/11/2005 19:32


Taz
Apart from the safety issue I think that the 'urban rumour' of spike damage to greens ought to be taken out of the equation.

After all, come spring, summer and autumn our greenkeeper chops the greens up with a tractor and plough thing with spikes 6" long and 5mm wide.

They recover beautifully - funny that.
Posted: 17/11/2005 07:46

They do recover. That is correct. And during the time the work is in progress, we accept the fact that the greens are undergoing maintenance.

However, during a competition, you have a ten footer, and two feet from the hole you have a set of tufts, right on the line of put. Thats a bit different. The greens will recover from the damage, but the damage can not be rectified until after the put has been taken.


Posted: 17/11/2005 07:56

Soft spikes are lethal? I've never had a problem with them. Maybe you should try a different brand of soft spikes, there's plenty out there. It makes me wonder about the condition of the turf at your golf courses, if you can't get decent traction from modern soft spikes
Posted: 17/11/2005 08:41

Alan,
Thank you for the advice, but unfortunately I am one of those under suspicion of eating all the pies.

And if I had to choose between falling arse over tit, or missing a 10 foot putt, I'd miss the putt every time.
Posted: 17/11/2005 08:47

If you were my golf partner I'd expect you to make that putt and fall arse over tit if you had to.

Show some commitment man!
Posted: 17/11/2005 09:02

Having played with both metal spikes and soft spikes the only difinative difference i have found is that you loose alot of tracktion using soft spikes when addressing the ball on loose ground cover, eg-leaves or grass clippings etc. Metal spikes i believe are better and when players take care using them i see that they pose no problem to the greens. The main problem with metal spikes on the greens is when a player drags his feet along the grass surface.
Posted: 17/11/2005 09:04


Taz
Ian - we are talking 'winter' golf - not many comps at our club and the greens are not so slick that you would notice a 'tuft' caused by a spike.
Posted: 17/11/2005 09:10

AB
Golf is just a game, contrary to popular belief, but my arse is my arse, and I am fussy about what it comes into contact with.

That'll be a three putt for me then.
Posted: 17/11/2005 09:31

Alan, I've read your "opinions" and I can't understand why you don't miss out the middle bit, i.e. get out of your car, go straight in the bar and not bother changing your shoes at all. Still better save yourself your membership fees and just go down the pub!

I thought that this was supposed to be a forum where we could exchange views and perhaps effect a little influence over the manufacturers, I didn't think it was a place for hurling offencive remarks. I don't think I'll bother contibuting again.
Posted: 17/11/2005 09:42

I'm sure most on here have appreciated your contribution Brian.

Certainly the ones who appreciate the view from the course - not the view through beer goggles.

However I don't think there were any 'offensive' remarks - if you think so, then perhaps you should surf around the site a bit more and look.

Boy - it can get much more offensive than that, believe me. Luckily most of it is banter and good natured.

; o )
Posted: 17/11/2005 09:52

I can't see any abuse on this, bit of sarcasm and humour.

But that is the problem with email, a lot of people (including myself) don't use smiley faces to let others know they are having a bit of banter.

If you can't see someones face, it can be hard to tell if they are taking the mick or being insulting. I tend to err on the former, as life is too short to get upset about trivia anyway.
Posted: 17/11/2005 10:29

Sorry Brian I was just having fun.

I forgot that humour isn't allowed everywhere and to cap it all, I'm not even wearing my blazer, shame on me.

Still to recap on my serious points, my soft spikes grip fine.

However, I can't see a problem with wearing spikes in winter if you have a problem with grip and indeed my course allows players to play with whatever they want.

In reality though the problem of spike marks is a tiny problem in relation to players not repairing their pitch marks. That is my biggest complaint where ever I play.

By the way Brian, I do like a pint but only AFTER I've played. Just thought I'd clear that up.
Posted: 17/11/2005 10:58

Used soft for sometime now over all conditions and have never had a problem.

I would say that with soft spikes you must ensure they are clean before using in the winter months.

If you allow to get caked up in dry mud and then go out on the course they will be lethal.

Find them very comfortable.
Posted: 17/11/2005 11:52

Apart from the issue of slipping on wet or icy surfaces in winter wearing softspikes, I find I am making much poorer contact with the ball esp with the shorter irons and even chipping has gone off a bit.

Change to metals to play on another course and the problem dissapears.

My conclusion, metals should be allowed at every club during winter rules.
Posted: 17/11/2005 12:26

JP - your such a cad!!!!!
Posted: 18/11/2005 13:12

Personaly I think metal spikes do not damage the greens as much as soft spikes. Soft spikes are dangerous. All you have to do walk on wet concrete and you slip. I have fallen three times in the last two months and now refuse to use soft spikes. Winter or summer, it makes no difference, if the pathways are wet you slip. My course demands soft spikes? We have poor greens and very little would harm them. Why soft spikes? because they wear out ten times as fast as metal and cost twice as much. It is just a method of creating revanue.
Posted: 21/05/2007 02:15

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