i use the stiff stock shaft in my cobra 400sz

probably not the right shaft for me, but ive kept it under control and hit 100% of fairways last time i played

Wormburner,

'If a shaft is to stiff, that means the head will lag behind and hit the ball with a open face.'

A comment made by me, so I am agreeing with your theory, not disagreeing.

Its the middle of the shaft that lags not the clubhead so if the shaft is too soft the clubhead will be in front and cause hooks

lance your sentence contradicts itself. the shaft should lag, as long as it does lag too much.

if im wrong please tell me so i can throw the shaft away.

What most people are trying to state is that;

Too stiff a shaft will lag behind and cause an open face at impact, thus = slices

Too soft a shaft will have too much whip through impact and close the face, thus = hooks

Alex

I know,I was just throwing another 'whatever' at Brian,he doesn't want to listen

Oh sorry, I thought you were bashing me lol.

Why does it contradict itself?

i meant to change that. you say the same thing twice.
sorry

One more try.

If the shaft is stiff and you swing slow you will put no flex into the shaft at all, it is as straight as it sits at address when you contact the ball, thus square face, add to that all your hip firing and you will be closing the face.
If the shaft is stiff and you swing super fast you will load the shaft at the start of the downswing, this manifests as a bend in the shaft, thus open face when contact with the ball if you fail to square it up.
If tiger woods ripped a drive with a regular shaft it would go left?, no it would slice right as the face would be open at impact. Is this not why people with fast swingspeeds are recommended to use stiff shafts?

Sorry Brian you have it the wrong way round. Have a read of the below

http://golf.about.com/cs/tipslessons/a/shaftflex.htm

If the shaft is too soft, the head whips through and closes. People with fast swingspeeeds play stiffer shafts to stop the ball going left not right

Soft shaft = hook. I've seen this with my own eyes, and I know the culprit. He doesn't do it now, he's using a firmer shaft.

And the bend point on the shaft depends on how it is designed and made. Low, middle, high. Choose your weapon to suit your swing.

None of which answers the original question in this post. My driver doesn't have a flex. The shaft does. AccuFLEX Evolution (R).

Brian

One more try

No it won't,different swings and swingspeeds will do different things,but GENERALLY,you are wrong.

A stiffer shaft is used to create more stability,this helps keep the face square.

Brian,

To stiff a shaft and you will leave the club open at impact meaning you will hit a weak cut low and to the right - the opposite too weak a shaft will result in a hook.

Golfbhoy - How do you get on with the Evolution? I have been thinking of getting one in X-Stiff as I have been told it is as good as a 757 for half the price!

Fantastic, Ibrox. It handles my mid-round swing variations very well, I'm averaging between 10/11 fairways out of 13.

However ... it plays stiffer than you think, mine is closer to a firm/stiff than a regular. I've also tried an R flex in a Ping G2 (deep bore so insertion depth is greater) and that plays stiffer again.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with its performance providing you get the right flex for your swing. Do some research first - contact Shaun at Midas Golf (SMT link, top of page) and some user reviews at www.freegolfinfo.com using their search function, both excellent resources. There's a few Evo players on here too - maybe post an "Advice wanted" thread?

Difficult to get hold of for demo, but I have my own (9° SMT Spectrum) and maybe one other (8.5° Ping G2 ON TRIAL BY POTENTIAL BUYER AT MY CLUB FOR NOW).

Assuming your screen name puts you in my general vicinity let me know if you'd like to try them and we'll see if we can arrange to meet up somewhere?

I can get to the driving ranges at Palacerigg, Bishopbriggs, Uddingston and Brucefields (Stirling) easily.

€s are you on about chucking the NV shaft you have?

If Alex does not want it then I may be intrested in it if its still available.

Regards

Ian

As a senior (in age) golfer I have been using a Grafalloy Prolaunch 45 senior flex shaft in my ex driver.I found it far to whippy causing a banana like slice. I am now using a Fujikura Vista Pro 70 regular shaft. Better by a mile 90* of my drives are down the middle now.So in my view a whippy shaft causes an open face which will produce a slice.
Roy.

(sigh)

Can't be bothered... Chaps, get a video and look at impact position. Work it out.

I'll guarantee that if I give you an X shafted driver and an R shafted driver the R will go left more often than the X. Physics. You can't beat it.

Unless of course your swing is ... err a little obscure that is...

Roy we share the same view.

Generally, when you start your forward swing the shaft bends in a toe up position (because the club is upside down at the start of your forward swing) and lags your hands until you stop accelerating. At the point you stop accelerating, the shaft “unloads” and the club head moves to a toe-down and leading position in less than .05 seconds! If the shaft is too soft for your swing, the club head will not return to square properly, it will be open and you will see a very wide shot dispersion depending on how much you blow, as a result…left and right, high and low, long and short of target.
Thats the way i see it and have experienced it myself, to soft a shaft = slice if you swing to fast and everything else is correct.

Dunc your gaurantee would only apply to players who swung the regular flex to slow. Physics would say to fast the face is open.