 Player plays his tee shot then advances. He finds a ball that he assumes is his. He takes a practice swing next to that ball and accidentally moves it. In picking it up to replace it he finds it to be a wrong ball. . For my marks I would have cited R7-2 Note 1 (no penalty), def. of stroke and R15-3 (no penalty) but not 18-2.
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 A player hits his ball into the rough then hits a ball from the rough several times (say 5) until he gets it to the green, marks and lifts it and sees it is a wrong ball. At no point in the rough did he identify his ball so he does not know where he first hit the WB. What to do? In strokeplay (medal not stableford) this does not have an answer that everyone agrees on. Of course matchplay is simpe LOH.
You are still lacking information because we do not know the status of the ball that was hit into the rough, and without that information the question cannot be properly answered. It is very easily answered in Decision 15-1/3 however we must know when the last time the player knew he wasn't playing a wrong ball.
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Bob I will try to re-write the question as carefully as possible (keeping in mind that I must leave for work in 10 minutes). In a medal competition a player plays his tee shot into the rough to point W. He finds a ball at point W and plays it to point X which is still in the rough. He finds a ball at point X and plays it to point Y which is still in the rough. He finds a ball at point Y and he plays it to point Z which is on the green. He lifts the ball and finds it is not the original ball he played from the tee. He returns to point Y but does not find his OB. He returns to point X but does not find his OB. He returns to point W but does not find his OB. How to proceed? . As I have mentioned before there is no concencus on this on various global rule forums when I have seen this discussed previously.
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Hi Dec, You've still missed the point which is, is the ball that he played off the tee the correct ball? The reason for the specificity of this question is, there is only one way to answer the query correctly and that is to re-trace back to the point of where the player KNEW for sure that he had the correct ball. For the purposes of this query we will assume that when he teed off it was with the right ball. In this instance the answer is very simple, Decision 15-1/3 deals with a scenario where the player doesn't know when he started playing a wrong ball and details different situations regarding strokeplay and matchplay. It gives the example of a player discovering on the 6th hole that he has played a wrong ball. The Answer, states: "If, however, the conclusion is that a wrong ball has been played:
(a) in stroke play, the player is disqualified, unless the conclusion is that the wrong ball was played at the 6th hole and the player rectifies his mistake as prescribed in Rule 15-3b." So in other words, assuming that the first shot from point W is determined as when he first played the wrong ball, this is where he committed the crime and then takes the penalty under Rule 15-3 - 2 shot penalty. Obviously then 5 minutes has elapsed since he first starting looking for his correct ball at point W, hence it is now a lost ball, so he goes back to the tee and plays what will now be his 5th shot (3 off the tee plus 2 shot penalty for hitting a wrong ball). All the shots played from points X and Y are irrelevant - 15-3b.
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 Bob & Dec: What's the ruling on the number of angels you can get onto a pinhead ??
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Bob Check this link out. click here for a discussion from last year and click here as coincidentally it is being discussed again right now.
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Bob Wilson says "For the purposes of this query we will assume that when he teed off it was with the right ball." Bob - Can you please explain to me how you can play a wrong ball from the tee ?
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Bob Wilson says "For the purposes of this query we will assume that when he teed off it was with the right ball." Bob - Can you please explain to me how you can play a wrong ball from the tee ?
Very simple. You play a wrong ball on a previous hole and don't realise. You then tee off with that same ball and eventually realise. Although this is unlikely it could happen. It wouldn't take much to hit another ProV1 for instance and then realise on the next hole your number 3 should have been a number 2. Unlikely but that is the answer and why the Decision exists.
In strokeplay you would be dq'd as you finished the previous hole with a wrong ball and left the green, in matchplay it is a different matter depending on the state of the game.
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Bob Check this link out. click here for a discussion from last year and click here as coincidentally it is being discussed again right now.
Thanks Dec but you're a sensible guy to 'talk' to and I'm happy to leave it at that, I'm going to refrain from clicking those links as I don't want to get dragged into a 'discussion' elsewhere just for the sake of it!!
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Bob & Dec: What's the ruling on the number of angels you can get onto a pinhead ??
Matchplay or Strokeplay?
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in matchplay it is a different matter depending on the state of the game.
As no claim was made and the next hole started it is not a wrong ball. How does the state of the game affect it?
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in matchplay it is a different matter depending on the state of the game.
As no claim was made and the next hole started it is not a wrong ball. How does the state of the game affect it?
Incorrect. Have a look at Decision 15-1/3 which is accessible on the web if not by book.
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Bob I worded my post rather hastily, having just got in fazed from a late flight. I was intending to indicate that the ball referred to in the staement "You then tee off with that same ball and eventually realise" is not a 'wrong ball' with respect to the hole now being played.
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Agree!
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Bob - I think I know what you mean but you can't play a wrong ball on your tee shot. It is only a Wrong ball for the hole at which it was first played. For the subsequent hole(s) it is the correct ball. As you said the punsihment will vary depending on the format being played.
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Wow, it's a complicated game we play. My head is hurting after reading this and it's a discussion on one question ! Those rules chappies on tour must be ex Mastermind contestants !
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Bob - I think I know what you mean but you can't play a wrong ball on your tee shot. It is only a Wrong ball for the hole at which it was first played. For the subsequent hole(s) it is the correct ball. As you said the punsihment will vary depending on the format being played.
Hi Steve, The question was something along the lines of 'a player hits his ball and then later finds out it's a wrong ball....' My answer related to the fact that you need to find out when the player originally played a 'wrong ball' as this will make a difference. I agree with you that a ball played from the tee is not a wrong ball, but for the purposes of the original question, it was required to assess when the wrong ball was originally played. Like many have previously said, "I think we agree!!".
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