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Was messing with trying to finish with my hands higher rather than around my body and this is the result. Does look a bit "forced" but seems to work ok, so may persevere.

Any thoughts?

Edited: 10/03/08 17:37
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And one from in front but the guy messed up with the orientation so you'll need to crane your neck - sorry!

Oh, and yes they are in slow motion, I dont really swing that slowly
Edited: 10/03/08 17:43
Whats the reason behind wanting to change your swing?
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Is this helping you get some draw spin on the ball Creo? I'm working on something similar as I currently come back inside the line and then come back over the top with my woods, forcing a fade/slice.

I wonder why also, Creo. Whats the rational behind it?

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Been struggling with iron play of late, to many duff shots, hitting it fat a lot, and coming across the ball, and generally playing poorly. I had the idea that if I got my hands higher on the follow through then it may keep me more on target and help me release the club a bit better. Got a friend to video it on his phone so I could see it and thought I'd post it for input/comment.

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You seem to be taking the club back to far inside the line i.e. to flat,which gives you a hard time to bring the club down on the right plane.

Feel you would get better results if you worked on your backswing to start with. You would possibly be better of with a steeper backswing which would give you a better chance to swing from the inside. Best of luck.

Enjoyed your video clips-especially Robin Williams!

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Looks like stack and tilt - bold move, hope it pays off.
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Stewart Cinkesque,

 Oldboy is right, using an old club or one that has foam wrapped around it, stand with your back about 6 inches from a wall and try swinging.  My guess is you'll hit the wall just over waist height.  Need the shoulders to move the hands on the backswing, not vice versa.  Good luck with the changes, let me know how you get on

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Thanks for the suggestions. I gave up trying to get my backswing more upright, maybe its age but I just could not do it and still be able to play anything like golf, which maybe why I decided to have a go at my follow through! Thing is, early days but it does appear it may help, time will tell as always.
I think it will encourage you to swing nicely from the inside and get your weight moving better. How's your head position, Creo? Maybe you're not getting your weight properly moving through the ball as an unconscious response to your present lack of confidence. That along with moving your head may be responsible for your fat shots. Wiping across the ball is often a result of poor lower body action. Try feeling that grip sensation with the left foot at transition. As if you increase the pressure on the turf and hit into a firmer left leg. With the high handed finish it may help you be more aggressive through the ball.
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it looks a little like you are "lifting" the club into this high position, rather than getting there as a result of what has gone before.
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Yep, thats how it also looks to me Lawman. But when I am swinging, it doesnt feel that way. Back in from 4 hours of practise and was hitting it well, though hard to tell due to the tempest wind.
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I would suggest that you try and keep it on the same plane on the thru swing as back swing.

Go for extension thru the ball resulting in your normal swing.

It does look like you are just "putting" the club their in a forced way.

It looks good through impact, might just need to get your feel/tempo back.

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Goodness me, far from me to critique your swing Creo, you have the kind of game that I'd be very content with, but.............................as others have mentioned you do seem to be far too  mechanical with the arms in the finish and one other point while Im at it; well in for a penny in for a pound; on the first vid you're really hunched over the ball at address almost like your preparing for a putt, then at impact you're lifting up through the ball to lift your arms, looks like you arn't comfortable with the process at all, as you've no real flow with it, and isnt the lifting process going to complicate ball striking a little?

I don't know whether thats going to be good for you in the long run, seems to cock up your tempo and flow a bit. 

Just my observation Creo, take it as the mutterings of a mad man if you like, remember I'm a Shambler.  

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my tuppence, ONLY on the basis of working on something very similar with my pro so please regard as my 'suggestion'...

Having paused the first video when the club is parallel to the ground, it definitely looks a little too much on the inside which then naturally takes you into a lower plane on the backswing, from which you have lower, more 'round the body' swing.

Another aspect of this appears to be that there is a little 'steering' of the arms and a little drop in the body through impact to compensate and generate extra speed/power.

If you want to get the hands higher in the finish, this needs to come from the plane developed at the beginning of the swing.

In the backswing, when the club is horizontal to the ground, it should be pointing straight back at the camera and from there the takeaway should continue to a higher position.

Then from the top, this should allow you to come into the ball from this higher position, taking the club back down through a similar position when parallel to the ground, and, more importantly, fully extend the right arm into impact whilst maintaining your height and spine angle. From this, you should get to wanted to achieve in the first place - higher hands at the finish - but rather you should have been able to get there as a logical progression of preceeding swing elements rather than trying to manufacture it somewhat.

I also had a bent left leg at impact - part of the whole problem - so I've been working on trying to have this straighter at impact and making more hip turn towards the target.

Like I mentioned at the outset, this is based on my working on something very similar with my pro but we did look at my swing on video as well as some stills of various pros at similar positions for (a rather shameful) comparisson.

As a practise drill, I stand at address with the club parallel to the ground  and pointing straight back behind me (the hands/wrists already 'cocked' if you like). Starting the swing from here takes me back in a straighter line rather than too inside and gets me into that higher position I need to be at the top of the swing. Then I can attack the ball with good arm extension at impact rather than dipping down and bending the arms.

I have to say it's taken a while to get this going over the last couple of months, trying to unlearn years of mistakes from a self-taught swing. One of many bad habits unfortunately.

To start with I was struggling with it - making a few thins, struggling to keep my weight on the front foot and even coming over the top a little. However, as it's improved, I'm definitely hitting the ball better and with more control. When it really comes together, it's brilliant but still a way to go, though.

Hope that helps a bit. Like I said, this advice is on the basis of something similar I've been trying to change in my own swing that has been too flat, too far on the inside in the takeaway and too 'armsy' through impact.

Caveat (!): I've tried to sound objective above rather than too perfectionist and the paraphrased words of John Jacobs ring in my ears - 'as long as the swing is repetitive...'

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I find it hard to comment on someone who plays better than i'm ever likely to, but to echo the above you do look very flat on the backswing, and the swing doesn't look like you find it comfortable.
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Interesting comments regarding the comfort aspect. I do find it comfortable, maybe I just look uncomfortable! I've been hitting my irons with this method the last week or so and I am seeing better results, far fewer fatted shots, and a more consistent strike. I do feel I am releasing the club a little better, though if anything I am catching the ball a bit thin, but rather that than those horrible fat shots in the mud that just go splat.

Hunched and flat, yep guilty on both counts. Gave up trying to fix these things, just got to the stage where I was so exasperated doing drills and hitting the ball so badly I decided I would accept my flatness, and just get on with things.

After a couple of months of playing aweful I managed a solid +2 round on Friday at an away course, which I was quite happy with. Certainly for the time being I am sticking with this technique, it does seem to be helping.


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