23rd man... So if I read you right we should be looking for a small spine tilt  on irons as well as Driver ... ie when hitting down on the ball

Interesting as I only thought it was important using a Driver or "sweeping" a fairway wood/hybrid..

I have had problems with over doing the tilt (pushing me out of balance) with the Driver. Things have improved since I think of raising the left hip as opposed to leaning over!!!

That would be a good idea once I get the technology sorted.....

and I have patented my swing of course