What is the current Hottest faced driver?

01/08/2009 at 13:05

Was told by my pro that The Ping Rapture V2 is right up there in terms of "hotness" , they are all meant to be on the limit, so it might just be a perception

01/08/2009 at 14:14
R9
01/08/2009 at 16:37
Paul L 12! wrote (see)
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but now having reminded myself what these old illegal ones were like, i wondered which current drivers have come closest to this old performance

Probably most good modern ones are as good, if not better, than that performance.

Maybe.

01/08/2009 at 17:05
Greenfly wrote (see)

Was told by my pro that The Ping Rapture V2 is right up there in terms of "hotness" , ...

I think he was talking about the ones that come with a shaft...
01/08/2009 at 17:11

The fact that there is now a specific limit  on the hotness of the face leads me to conclude that they are all more or less exactly the same now.

Why would a company NOT make it's drivers right on the limit?

02/08/2009 at 18:22

Cobra L4V claims to hit the max allowances on all four specs - cor, moi, dimensions and volume.

03/08/2009 at 13:18
See my responses below....
Edited: 03/08/2009 at 13:22
03/08/2009 at 13:18

Part one of two:

Below, is a list of materials used in Titanium faced drivers ranked from cheapest (less quality) to most expensive (best).

6-4 Titanium    Titanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 6Al-4V: these are 90% Titanium, 6% Aluminum and 4% Vanadium.   Unless stated specifically titanium heads advertised as Beta-Titanium use this alloy(6-4 Titanium) for the shell of the head and Beta-Titanium(15-3-3-3 Beta-Ti) in the face. Density (lb/in³) Tensile Strength (psi) Hardness Elongation(%) 0.16  135,000  36 HRC 15 
15-3-3-3 Forged Beta-Ti
 
   Titanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 15V-3Sn-3Cr-3Al: these are 76% Titanium, 15% Vanadium, 3% Tin, 3% Chromium and 3% Aluminum  Density (lb/in³) Tensile Strength (psi) Hardness Elongation(%) 0.172  145,000  32 HRC 8 
15-5-3
Titanium    Titanium Alloy used in head construction, not more than 75% titanium, 15% Molybdenum, 5% Zirconium and 3% Aluminum.  Harder than 17-4 stainless steel. Density (lb/in³) Tensile Strength (psi) Hardness Elongation(%) 0.181 181,000 35 HRC 5
10-2-3 Titanium
Titanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 10V-2Fe-3Al: these are 85% Titanium, 10% Vanadium and 3% Aluminum . This also the Ti blend used to make Airplane black boxes Density (lb/in³) Tensile Strength (psi) Hardness Elongation(%) 0.168 180,000  41 HRC 6
SP700 Titanium 
Titanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 4.5Al-2.5Fe-2Mo-3V: these are 88% Titanium, 4.5% Aluminum, 2.5% Iron, 2% Molybdenum and 3% Vanadium. Titanium is often used in oversize and larger heads most importantly in face design.  Japanese grade tested heat treated Density (lb/in³) Tensile Strength (psi) Hardness Elongation(%) 0.163 148,000  45 HRC 19

  TVC Titanium. Most expensive using proprietary blend of Titanium, Vandium, Chromium and Aluminum.

Density (lb/in³) Tensile Strength (psi) Hardness Elongation(%) 0.168 152,000  51 HRC 19

   (cont on next post)

03/08/2009 at 13:21
Part two of two

The only company using this material is the TourSwing TVC driver...prior to that, Ashton used it in their E3 heads..but the expense of the material caused Ashto to charge $289 (american) dollars for the head alone and the company eventually folded.

Do not believe all the hype you hear from the other manufacturers about "pushing the limits" They don't.

 They can claim anything...as long as they don't post numbers...so when they say "maximum anything...it means nothing.

 Also, the COR test is and has been obsolete for years...face limitations in place by the USGA/R&A are the pendulum test...and the TVC actually EXCEEDED the limits...but they (USGA/R&A) have a tolerace level, and the TVC barely passed...I know, I talked to the testing lab at the USGA and saw the documentation.

It is easier and safer for the big manufacturers to create a SAFE head, that will not break (and face retiurn situations as well as PR issues) than to spend the extra money and risk failure.

 Perfect example of intentions going array was the Nike Sumo a few years back....in order to make a square driver, instead of what some mfg's were doing (which was make the face smaller and moving the weight in the rear, Nike decided to make the face the same dimensions, but thinner.

But they also decided not to upgrade the face material and they were beseiged with cracked faces and issued their one and only recall in company history.

22/04/2012 at 15:24

15-5-3 Titanium is an

1) alpha

2)near aplha

3) alpha+beta

or

4)beta alloy?? plz get me the ans.. im struck here...

22/04/2012 at 17:21

Sukesh -

None of the above...the 15-5-3 Ti is simply called that.

The beta-ti or alpha ti is the same as the 6-4

22/04/2012 at 21:44
You are far better off worrying about launch angle and spin rate than you are about wild claims of pushing the limits. Get launch and spin right, you will 'feel' you have a hotter face.
23/04/2012 at 00:37

All modern heads are pretty much of a muchness and a pretty close to the 0.830 COR limit (though they generally use CT to measure it these days).

The R5 head (even the Tour version) was a pretty high spin head, so was not particularly long, once past about 230yds - as the spin 'overpowered' the ballspeed with a ballooning effect. The R7 was lower spin, reflected by the preference of the R7 on Tour.

This demonstrates that there's more to a Driver than simply COR of the head. Loft of the head, spin attributes of the head and suitability of the shaft to your swing anf the head are also very important.

23/04/2012 at 19:56

In other words whatever you choose get fitted

30/11/2012 at 06:56

tour edge XLDS...TVC !!!!!!!!......MacGregor Mactec..TVC !!!!!!!!....both very long....who copied who...tourswing or touredge??? or are they the same????   heads look the same...check it out....

30/11/2012 at 07:38
I believe Mizuno has the lowest spin driver.
30/11/2012 at 14:38

Definitely one of the hottest faced drivers...

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/87/9957ec0b39114ca996aeb1287c707db5/l.jpg

 

 

 

30/11/2012 at 16:56

 Follow through?  Yes please!

Back OT I had a (now illegal) Titliest driver and cracked the face....yes really!  So they swopped it for a new legal one.  I used it the other day and it goes just as well as my R9.  

Its all in the swing, get it right, make the right contact and it doesn't matter what you're using (from the last 10 years) it wall go well!

30/11/2012 at 16:56

 Follow through?  Yes please!

Back OT I had a (now illegal) Titliest driver and cracked the face....yes really!  So they swopped it for a new legal one.  I used it the other day and it goes just as well as my R9.  

Its all in the swing, get it right, make the right contact and it doesn't matter what you're using (from the last 10 years) it will go well!

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