Driving test: Big sticks at The Grove
Lucky winners put latest clubs through their paces
Posted: 1 July 2008
by Nick Bayly
Another fearless Golfmagic equipment testing panel and five more drivers put through their paces - this time at the spectacular The Grove Hotel and golf course, near Watford
The panelists
Chris Curry
Handicap: 12
Club: Crook GC, Co.Durham
Tim Belson
Handicap: 11
Club: Flackwell Heath GC, Bucks
Ben White
Handicap: 11
Club: Coombe Wood GC, Surrey
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£239 |
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They say: Available in draw, neutral and fade models to suit your preferred shot shape, the FT-5 features a 460cc head with a robust titanium cup face welded to a lightweight carbon composite body. A 50g weight is placed in different parts of the head to create shot bias as well as optimize launch conditions. The face features Variable Fact Technology, which offers higher ball speeds and greater distance, even on slight miss-hits. Available in 8.5, 9.5 and 10.5-degree lofts with Fujikura shafts as standard..
Chris says: “ I really liked the more traditional look of the head and I found it visually appealing at address. Performance-wise, it is very forgiving and easy to hit with a draw - not surprising as this was a ‘draw’ model! The composite head made it sound a little ‘thuddy’ at address compared to some titanium models, which also reduced feel off the face. But I had no complaints with distance, with the draw providing extra roll once the ball landed. It’s by far the best Callaway driver I’ve hit - quite a compliment from a committed Titleist man!.”
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Callaway Ft-5 driver
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Tim says: “ I liked the overall appearance and found it east to align. It felt really solid and the ball flew off the face in a high arcing trajectory. Even though it was a draw model, I was able to work the ball both ways and was pleased with its distance and accuracy. It’s a club I’d be happy to own, and I rated it my second favourite of the clubs on test”
Ben says: “It looked classy and compact in all-black. It felt slightly dead off the face, which made it hard to tell if I had hit it out of the centre or not. I also found that the draw bias over accentuated my draw, so I would probably opt for a neutral model. Distance was comparable to the other drivers. The shaft felt stable and responsive..”
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Contact: | Nike Golf |
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10.5 degrees |
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Regular |
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£229 |
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They say: 'New and improved', it features an updated body shaping that increases accuracy and ball speed with PowerBow Weighting that manages the weight in the head to optimize accuracy and performance. Has a 460cc titanium head with a very high MOI for greater forgiveness on off-centre hits. A multi-thickness Titanium Cup Face increases ball speed over a larger area for more distance. Available in 8.5, 9.5, 10.5, 11.5 and 13-degree lofts with 45.75-inch Mitsubishi Diamana Yellow Board graphite shaft.
Chris says: “The cosmetics were okay, but I’dprefer the crown to be either matt or gloss, rather than a combination. The two-tone design seemed to draw even more too much attention to both the size and shape of the head. It launched the ball at the highest of the five drivers I tested, and because its square design is aimed at keeping the ball straight, I found it harder to shape the ball in either direction, with most miss-hits pushes or pulls. Extremely forgiving on slight miss-hits, especially off the toe, giving up little distance. The noise off the clubface was rather like kicking an empty coke can, but wasn’t a problem.”
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Nike SQ Sumo2 5900 driver
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Tim says: “Initially looked like something Batman might use with its gothic look but overall rather bland and unexciting. However, it delivered plenty of distance, with a high - and straight - ball flight. Found it difficult to manoeuvre the ball much in either direction, which is something I like to do and is required at my home course.
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Ben says: “Like the original square Nike driver, the ball flew too high for me and I tended to leak shots right, even though my natural shot is a draw. Very strange! The ballooning flight resulted in a slight loss of distance but it still went a long way. Clever use of contrasting finishes gives the illusion of the club having a traditional head shape, disguising its ‘squareness’. The sound is a big improvement on the previous model, Defintely not as ear-shatteringly loud. It wins points on forgiveness too, with less than perfect shots still going a long way and nothing going wildly off target.”
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Loft: | 10.5 degrees |
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Regular |
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£199 |
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They say:Distinctive scooped crown is a key feature, which places weight deep, back and low in the head to offer increased stability for consistently straight drives. Full Face Performance extends the 'Hot Zone' across a larger portion of the face, creating more distance from pure strikes and miss-hits alike. Available with 45-inch Fujikura Gold shafts, which feature a low-mid kickpoint and active tip section for increased launch angle, or Red shafts for the stronger player who likes a lower ball flight. Available in Standard, Tour and Draw versions with 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 and 11.5-degree lofts.
Chris says:"The clubhead looked it had been given a frontal lobotomy, totally different to anything else I’ve played before. But despite its unusual appearance I was pleasantly surprised by its performance and found it to be a really long and forgiving club, with a mid to high trajectory. The shaft felt a bit more flexible than I’d like and I would definitely choose a firmer Red flex over the Gold to get a bit more control and a slightly lower ball flight. It’s a leap of faith to try something so different from the norm, but it’s definitely worth another look."
Tim says: “I didn’t warm to the clubhead’s design and the low face height didn’t inspire me with much confidence. I struggled to get the ball up in the air at first, but ball flight gradually improved. Distance-wise, it was the shortest of the five clubs I tested and I found myself leaking a lot of shots out to the left with too much draw spin. The clubhead felt quite hollow and tinny and the shaft was much whippier than the others, even they were labelled regular flex. Just didn’t seem to tick any of my boxes. Sorry, not for me.
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Cleveland HiBore XLS driver
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Ben says: “This was definitely my favourite. It gave me a perfect, slow draw and a nice penetrating flight, which really suited me. It flew a good 10 yards further than the others, and just rocketed off the face. The impact sound gives the impression of power, without being too loud. I also liked the matt finish of the head and didn't find the scooped-out crown at all distracting.”
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Contact: | Srixon |
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Loft: | 10.5 degrees |
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They say: The Z-RW driver features a unique face design which aims to offer unparalleled levels of spin control off the face. The Starburst Face has four different zones to control sidespin by optimising the gear effect on shots struck in those specific zones resulting in a larger sweet spot that allows more distance and control, even on off-centre hits. The two-piece 460cc clubhead has a forged titanium body with a forged titanium face. Launch conditions are controlled by a ‘curving projection sole’, which moves weight around the clubhead in the different lofts to create the ideal combinations of spin and trajectory. The 10.5-degree model is neutral, with the weight balanced evenly across the head, while the 9.5-degree driver has the weight predominantly in the toe. Comes with a 45-inch Fujikura SV-3014 shaft as standard in regular and stiff flexes. Other lofts: 8.5 and 11.5 degrees.
Chris says: “At address the Z-RW looked very classy, if a little chunky. The red weight bar on the sole, to my mind, cheapened its looks and reduced the smooth curves I like to see on a driver head. The feel at impact was solid and the sound off the face was neither ‘ting’ nor ‘tong’ - something in between. I got plenty of distance with this and most efforts went either dead straight or with a slight draw. It was hard to find any real fault with this driver, but then there was little that stood out either. A reliable, if slightly unexciting, performer but at a reasonable price.
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Srixon ZR-W driver
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Tim says: “I liked the compact head shape and cosmetics. Made it look like a simple, straightforward club to get on with and so it proved on the range. Felt really sturdy and powerful in my hands and I was more than happy with the distance off the tee and was able to fade the ball (my natural shot shape) with great consistency and a nice, arcing flight. The Fujikura is a decent standard shaft and it felt very responsive. At the price, it should sell well. ”
Ben says: “The best-looking driver on test, with the clubhead compact and sitting up neatly behind the ball. Delivered a high penetrating flight with a slight draw. A solid all-round performer, in my eyes, without being the longest or even the most forgiving, but just reliable and a pleasure to use. One downside was a chip to the red paintwork on the sole after just a few hits, which was disappointing.”
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They say: The Spine features a dual scooped crown creating a ridge that runs along the centre of the head (hence the name) to provde extra weight in the impact zone. Weight moved from the top of the crown is now low and deep to reposition the club’s centre of gravity, increase stability, lower spin rates and launch the ball at a higher angle. The Spine comes with a 65g tour proven ProForce UST V2 HMOI shaft, which features a responsive tip design to promote a higher ball flight for maximum carry, in 9, 10.5 and 12-degree lofts.
Chris says: “The square-shaped dual crown is definitely different but not unattractive and the centre ridge was a great aid for aligning the clubhead at address. The feel at impact was good, but the sound was a little hollow for my liking, and the noise didn’t reflect the power of the strike. A very forgiving driver, which produced plenty of distance. The shaft is a good one, but its black and white cosmetics, I felt, let it down. Overall, it felt extremely light, which would be good for those with slow swing speeds, but not so much for those with quick hands, like myself!
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Wilson Staff Spine driver
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Tim says: “I liked the look of it before I’d even laid hands on it. The head shape the glossy finish and the crown design, all appealed to me. Perhaps a little fussy but not too much of a distraction. Performance was exceptional, with a powerful, penetrating ball flight and plenty of yardage. I found it hard to miss the sweetspot, and although it sounds a bit noisy it didn't put me off. I really liked the ProForce HMOI shaft, which provided me with lots of feel and control. I think I may have found my next driver!
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Ben says: “Disappointing in both looks and performance. It was too glossy in my opinion, which made it look cheap and almost tacky. The lower section of the shaft towards the head, made it even less visually appealing at address and I found it the least forgiving of the drivers we tested. The sound off the face was... uninspiring. But it still produced plenty of distance, but I didn’t manage to control its direction so well and found it an inconsistent performer.”
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Most golfers have come around to the sight of big-headed drivers, and even square ones are no longer treated with a sharp intake of breath. Despite the acceptance of more outlandish geometry, the more traditional heads remain extremely popular, with the Srixon Z-RW and Callaway FT-5 drivers appealing both for their conservative looks and high performance. Cleveland seems to have really hit on something with the scooped-out crown, but the aesthetics are not to everyone’s liking and the matt finish, which is also a feature of the Nike SQ 5900, is not universally popular, espcially among those who prefer their driver to shine and sparkle. Conversely, the Wilson Spine was almost too glossy. With all shafts being between 45 and 45.5 inches long as standard, the trade off between improved distance and greater accuracy is becoming a real issue for club golfers who can’t control the clubhead as well Tour pros. A regular flex on such long shafts can make them appear whippy.
Overall there were no bad drivers here. Preferences were based more on looks and sound, rather than any serious issues over distance or accuracy. A fitting is always essentially to get the ball flight you need, but when it comes to top end modern drivers, you really can judge a book by its cover!
*Best Price: All these models are now available at values much reduced from their original recommended prices, so shop around for bargains on these still current drivers.
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The Grove's fifth hole
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Our thanks to The Grove hotel and golf course in Hertfordshire for use of the range and its distinguished course. For details on booking a tee time at The London Club visit.
www.thegrove.co.uk.
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Discuss this story
I would like to try the new drivers at The Grove because, 1) i need a new driver because i have a new huge sky mark on the top of my old Cobra
Comp 454 and it really is Ugly now. 2) It will be good to test quite a few drivers next to each other. 3) Free golf!!!!!! I am Scottish!! 4) Time off work!!
Posted: 10/06/2008 08:13
Currently using a Ping g2, have been looking to up-grade for ages, but around here no one has a selection of drivers to test. I Live in Bognor - need I say more!
Posted: 10/06/2008 08:38
I would love to be able to take my son Ben, as he has been so strong and supportive over the last few weeks. He has been very mature for a lad of 14. For him to be able to play where he watched Tiger, would be a dream! I use a Callaway 454 still, which could do with replacing, as it is so old and Ben uses a Superquad. I have a low ball flight and Ben is the opposite, so we'd both like to see if a new driver could produce a more preferable trajectory. The difference in our ball flights would give a good picture of the versatility of any Driver tested. PS Ben plays off 12.
Posted: 10/06/2008 08:43
Currently using a Titleist D1 which was off the shelf and I love and get on with it really well. I would be really interested in trying a range of drivers from many manufacturers (to see if the marketing hype is to be believed) and would love the opportunity of being custom fit just to see how much difference custom fitting makes to the average 10 handicapper. (Plus never played The Grove! and it looks a top notch course. It will also be a warm up for our Macmillan Longest Day Challenge (26th and 27th June) where myself and a colleague will be playing 8 differnet courses over 2 consecutive days) Fen
Posted: 10/06/2008 09:42
Currently playing a TM Burner. I can give a low handicapper perspective on the merits (or otherwise) of the drivers under test.
Posted: 10/06/2008 09:57
Ok Why i should be allowed to play the Grove and review the big sticks. Firstly: I would like to see if anything is better than £30 MD EQL2 Square Driver which i am currently bombing down the fairways that i picked up on Ebay. So does new and expensive mean better? Secondly: I am not a brand snob and will not be influenced by price and Brand eg just beacuse it cost £300 and is Titlest does mean it will be best and will give honest reviews. If i dont like it i will say i dont like it and why. If its the dogs danglies i will call it so! Thirdly: The ability to give an improving midhandicappers (15) opinion on them big sticks and lastly to play at the Grove will probably be a once in life time chance for ordinary Joe Public like myself who loves his golf but could never dream of paying £150 for a round of golf, added to that it will nicely round of a great week of golf with a Liverpool Capital Culture Event, a works society meeting and finish it up with a round at Grove, Could things get much better?
Posted: 10/06/2008 11:12
ooooooooooooo shiney new super drivers, everyone of them guaranteed to add 20 yards on to my drives , yes please - pick me pick me , and its at the grove as well ?!! pick me even more  . i currently play a nike sumo ( not the square version) - its a couple of years old so would be very interesting to see how it measures up to the very latest offerings . as i may have already said . . . .. pick me !  oh by the way i am a fairly solid 8 handicap - i consider my driving to be a strength in my game.
Posted: 10/06/2008 11:13
because I'm left handed and its impossible to find more than one driver to try in any golf shop. And that's usually a 8.5 degree extra stiff. Oh right, righties only.... I'll get me coat.
Posted: 10/06/2008 11:30
I've got a geek fail safe2 I love it can anything beat it??
Posted: 10/06/2008 11:34
Driving is my big weakness, so its the one club I am always tinkering with. I have had a ton of drivers over the years, some good and some not so good. I can give a fairly detailed insight into how they behave in my terms, with respect to MOI enhanced stability at impact - forgiveness, spin, feel, distance, accuracy and the whole package and I love playing The Grove  I am playing 4 drivers in desperation at the moment  a Titleist 905R with Pured Speeder and another with a Graf Blue a TM TP 2007 V2 Tour issue burner with Pured Speeder and a TM SQ Tour Issue with Pured Prolaunch red
Posted: 10/06/2008 11:40
I like Aces also use the MD EQL Square driver which i recently bought to replace my G2. Having bought the club "blind" off of the internet it was a bit of a gamble but now having used it for a month or so i now believe this club to be as good as it get's so the chance to prove this would be a fantastic opportunity. One of the reasons i bought the MD was due to the fact that finances are a little tight (as they are for lot's of young families) so i did not even consider the top brands knowing that i would not be buying one so having the opportunity to put them through their paces would be great. Are the top brands better because they cost more?, i do not know but i would like to be given the chance to find out and then give an honest opinion. The Grove - what chance has the ordinary punter like me got to play it usually? - virtually none so given the chance i would jump at it, come rain or shine. Whether i shot 72 or 102 i would still walk off of the course with a smile on my face, knowing i had followed in the footstep of Tiger and co. Doodles...
Posted: 10/06/2008 11:41
Currently using Callaway FT-i and FT-5. The FT-i when its firm and bouncy as I will get a bit of run, the FT-5 when its soft with no roll. The FT-i is very accurate and you wont believe how much it straitens up off centre hits but I am losing 15-25 yards. This is ok when its firm but when its soft I use the FT-5. The FT-5 goes for miles but is not as accurate, I will sacrifice a bit of accuracy for distance when it soft. Why should I get the place. Two reasons, firstly I will 100% turn up on the day and secondly I am a mid handicap (8) player and driving is a strong part of my game so can give an unbiased option on the latest drivers.
Posted: 10/06/2008 13:07
i currently play with a titleist d1, i have always had titleist drivers and change quite regularly. i consider myself a long hitter but will choose accuracy over length ( hence the d1!) i would love the chance to compare lots of driver manufacturers at the same location. plus the chance to play the amazing grove - what an opportunity
Posted: 10/06/2008 16:04
I currently play a Nike SQ Sumo which has just replaced my Mizuno MP001. I give an honest yet fair opinion and being a straight driver (though not the longest) then I feel I can relate to quite a few GM members. Someone where I play was telling me about the Grove on Friday, and said it is one of the most amazing golf courses in the British Isles! I need to find this out for myself! It is within a few hours drive, and I need to play now as I have already booked the day off work and told everyone I know I am playing at the grove... Ooo, and I also hear they clean your clubs before and after your round...
Posted: 10/06/2008 16:31
I have a Geek DCT 9*, fitted especially to bring down a high ball flight. It would be interesting to see how I would get on with the new "MOI, hit it high" drivers. And The Grove - a chance not only to test out the new generation of drivers, but to test myself against the course that Tiger tamed (to see how badly it would treat me in return!)
Posted: 10/06/2008 16:44
Wouldn't be the best person to go as I would probably upset the OEM reps when I try and hit a component club longer LOL  . Besides already playing on 23rd . BUT.... I would like to hear how a 14 year old with a 12 HDCP gets on with the drivers and more importantly the course and his dad has to caddy then write the report! Played the course with Spine & Flow the other year in December and even then it was a cracking course - someone’s going to be a lucky blighter to play it in the summer.
Posted: 10/06/2008 16:48
I would gladly caddy for him, if it meant that he got the chance to play there. Thanks for the support by the way!
Posted: 10/06/2008 18:20
I'd obviously like to try out the ladies drivers as I think I play with too much loft. I know the guys love all the techy stuff but I would love to have someone explain to me about lofts and lies and speeds etc as I have no idea what I should really be using. I current use a Ping ladies shaft and a G10 clubhead with 13.5 degrees loft. Would love to play at the Grove, stunning course, and I could also visit my daughter who lives 15 minutes drive from there.
Posted: 10/06/2008 19:26
i currently play with the Square driver i won from golf magic. and would love to try some new drivers. id also like to play The Grove as id never be able to afford to play there, and im local
Posted: 10/06/2008 22:20
In the bag I currently have the Ping G5. Simply put, if one was selected for this awesome opportunity, then one would consider oneself as one lucky ducky.
Posted: 10/06/2008 22:55
A round at The Grove would be fantastic in itself, but to get the chance to try a number of drivers would make it even better. I am currently trawling the market looking for a new driver, I am playing a TM Superquad with an X Stiff shaft that was custom fitted at present, I tend to be very honest in my opinions of clubs, and recently upset a sales person when I said that the club I tried wasn't worth £30 never mind the £300 that was being asked Nimbleblade
Posted: 10/06/2008 23:11
Before Christmas I was thinking about a new driver. I have a Maxfli 3 and 5 wood bought from JJB which I play well with. My daughter got windof this and bless her bought me the Maxfli HF driver. As it was a present I feel obliged to play with it for the sake of family harmony, esp as the son-in-law sometimes joins me for a round!! Therefore it would be great to have a chance to try some " decent" drivers to compare with my £25.00 stick and see if spending £150+ is going to be money well spent. Plus I am on holiday from work that week so wouldn't have to throw a sickie thereby adding financial strain on my company and ultimately the country. So for the sake of Great Britain and it's fragile economy I am your man!!!!!
Posted: 11/06/2008 01:52
i would welcome the chance to compare drivers against what i already play(callaway ft3) and maybe prove that cheaper drivers are just as long/accurate as the big name counterparts please pick me!!!
Posted: 11/06/2008 10:43
currently using a HS9 F speed head 10 degree ( probalby more like 12 ) with a SMT Miridio shaft Stiff. I orriginally replaced the oem shaft ( too light too soft, was a reg though  ) with an accuflex VS02 and result where good but alas the vs02 broke  and had to replace it as the shaft is no longer being produced I gambled on the Miridio and results so far are ok. The price was a very important factor in my decision also (£40 for a brand new shaft installed) could not afford anything more, so exotics shafts (ie like ozics and the sorts) where never an options or even considered. It would be very nice to test as many driver as possible with different shafts to see if they can improve shot dispertions (the big one for me), launch angles, distance etc.... and see the results. As for the chance of playing the grove, well i can only dream about it. It would be a very memorable moment and would feel priviledge to do it. ( will never be able to afford it, unless i win the lottery ) The score wouldn't really matter the occasion would.
Posted: 11/06/2008 10:51
I am a bit of a sceptic when it comes to equipment, what feels right and what you are happiest with over what someone tells you is right. I would welcome the opportunity to be descepticalised though! I often play solo rounds (no surprise to those that know me) and on a few occasions had three comparable drivers in the bag. I failed to identify the longest, shortest, highest etc. from a pretty large number of tee shots. Likewise, using my current Srixon W-506 the scuffed, dirty Maxfli often ends up further down the fairway than the pristine Titleist. I had a look at the Grove shortly after it opened and was amazed at it's conditioning even then and would enjoy the opportunity to experience what the architect came up with after, apparently, studying the classic heathland courses nearby. Lastly, Bob, having met you once before could I say that I thought you were a very, very nice person, I don't believe what others say about you and this would give me the opportunity to repay the fiver that I owe you. Or was it a tenner? Twenty?
Posted: 11/06/2008 13:35
I currently play with the Ping G5 and would love the chance to try out some other drivers and play the Grove as well. I, like I'm sure most golfers, try and get to 'test' as many drivers as I can in the belief that there's a better one for me out there. I've had a few and tried a few others but keep returning to my G5. However, after just coming back from a 5 day holiday in Spain playing courses around Marbella, I've just about had it with the G5 - couldn't seem to hit it straight. I've always played with a slight fade but this seemed to develop into a slice in Spain - not what you need on tight courses. Perhaps I can find my new driver?
Posted: 11/06/2008 13:55
Having just bought a Cobra LV4, I am already wondering whether the noise is going to send me scatty. Good distance though. I would love to play The Grove as it has excellent reviews and would be an interesting challenge.Is any course really worth £150 plus the cost of travel?. Well I hope to find out!!
Posted: 11/06/2008 16:16
I use a 9.5 Cleveland Launcher with stiff shaft. sadly, its never been quite the same since a practice swing got wrapped up in the guy ropes of the club flag pole so I am in the market for a new driver and been looking for a few weeks now. As to why, well, three reasons:
* Playing the Grove would be fun. Althought I've seen it and walked some bits of it, I've never actually managed to play it. It looks in great condition and and has some good looking holes. But it would be good to be able to discuss its merits from the basis of actual playing experience. * as well as being a half way competent golfer (2), I can represent the views of the older (60+) golfer - one of the larger market segments. * getting there is not a problem as I only live a couple of miles away
Posted: 11/06/2008 16:58
Currently play Callaway FT5-Tour 9.5. Why should I be chosen - how about a left handed group test. How often do you see group test winners that are only available right handed - Let's see which manufacturers are prepared to cater for all golfers.
Posted: 11/06/2008 18:19
I have owned 2 drivers since starting golf a Cobra SS430 (the face of which cracked after a great deal of usage) and my current driver - a Titleist 905R. I am not a kit junkie nor show allegiance to any one manufacturer, although I do get to test a lot of equipment (more through curiosity than want). I base my opinions purely on the results I find, not the badge, nor the price tag. When my Cobra broke I took on board my own personal testing regimen. Not having the insight (or sense) to get fitted I basically found the Titleist through a process of elimination. This meant swiping 4 or 5 drivers from the pro-shop and testing them down the range, making a note of the possibles, discarding the unlikely. After 4 repetitions it was narrowed down to the Titleist, the Cleveland Hi-Bore and a Callaway 456 Big Bertha. I tested them all again and found that the Titleist worked best for me. It wasn't necessarily the longest but it was certainly the most consistent in my ham fists. I now believe that - if fitted properly - I could achieve the same consistency from any manufacturer's product. I'd like to win this competition as I meet the hcap criterior, have a (relatively) consistent swing (for my hcap), am based Mon-Fri just a couple of junctions along the M1 away from the Grove, would like to try out the new equipment (and give an honest opinion), and - obviously - would love the opportunity to play the course. I've also not won owt since a raffle at school, so this would make a refreshing change!
Posted: 11/06/2008 18:57
3 years ago could not hit a driver, bought a Ping G2 and it revolutionised my game. Then playing off 18 now 13.3. Would like to see how I would get on with latest equipment. Also I used to live close to the Grove but in those days did not think I was good enough to play there.
Posted: 11/06/2008 20:21
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