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Premium balls: Do they mean us?

They are designed specifically for the pro and lower handicapper who hits the ball a long way and has the technique to spin the ball from whatever lie.


Posted: 27 February 2007
by Bob Warters

Premium golf balls
Are these balls for Mr Average golfer?

When Tiger Woods and the other big-hitters on Tour started blasting the golf ball over 300 yards with the new technology at their disposal, there was talk that Augusta National Golf Club would be insisting on the development of a uniform golf ball for a forthcoming US Masters.

We've got news for you...that elusive ball may already be in play, now that Titleist is introducing a 'new and improved' Pro V1 and Pro V1x - the most used balls on Tour.

Technology experts claim there's so little to choose in the performance of Titleist (Pro V1 and ProV1x), Callaway (HX Tour), Nike (Platinum One), TaylorMade (Red and Black) and Srixon (Z-URS and Z-URC) in the hands of the Tour professionals that there's no need for the men in green jackets to insist on 'a ball for all.'

The only difference, perhaps, is in the confidence and loyalty of the professional players who use different balls and in many cases are paid a king's ransome to do so or benefit from a bonus scheme for winning with a particular brand or model.

Premium golf balls
The ' new and improved' Titleist Pro V1

Titleist says that its improved Pro V1 and Pro V1x balls are designed for 'serious golfers of all levels who demand Tour-validated technology and performance.'

Their features and claimed benefits include: 'Staggered Wave' parting line for longer distance from enhanced ball flight, higher coverage 392 dimple design (392 for Pro V1; 380 for Pro V1x) for penetrating trajectory for long, consistent distance and integrated alignment guide (for lining up putts).'

There's no doubt that 28-handicappers can use these premium-priced, high-tech golf balls, currently used on the world's professional Tours. But they are designed, very specifically, for the lower handicapper who hits the ball a long way and has the technique to spin the ball from whatever lie.

Premium golf balls
Tiger generates 130 mph clubhead speed

There may be kudos in telling your mates that yes, you're playing with the ball Woods (Nike Platinum), Mickelson (Callaway HX Tour), Furyk/ Stenson (both Srixon Z-UR), Els/Scott (both Titleist Pro V1) and Retief Goosen (TaylorMade Red) uses but are you taking full advantage of the balls designed for your game and its obvious limitations?

At the last count there were about 1,000 male golfers who make a fair living playing competitively, compared to 40 male golfers with an average handicap of 16 or 17 who drive the ball around 190 yards off the tee (Woods, for example, develops a clubhead speed of 130 mph sends the ball flying at 180 mph at an average distance of over 300 yards).

And though we don't hit the ball anywhere near as far as the pro (though we like to think we can on occasions!), we're prepared to pay top dollar (around £40 a dozen; approximately £3.83 each) for a premium ball. In addition, it's unlikely to deliver the distance or launch angle we desperately need without the appropriate high swing speed the ball demands to perform at its best.

Furthermore it's unlikely to give us more than a round of durability, not to mention ten feet of back spin from 100 yards! And how many of us have the correct technique to deliver that in even perfect conditions, anyway?

Premium golf balls
Staggered wave technology on the ProV1x

The most important aspect of golf equipment technology that currently concerns the average mid to high handicapper is: How can I hit the ball further (but I don't want to spend hours on the practice ground perfecting my shoulder turn, I want the club or the ball to do it for me with the least possible effort)?

As one great sage wrote recently: "What the average golfer should be concerned about is how can I become more consistent, how can I improve my game and what technology out there is going to do that for me.

Certainly the new square drivers will help you hit the ball straighter by keeping the clubface squarer at impact but because the world's best golfers can hit towering shots and drop and stop the latest balls on a 10p piece from 186 yards with an 8-iron, don't believe it's within your capabilities.

By all means use the 2007 premium balls from the top manufacturers but also try the ones with a firm feel and more explosive core that you can use for two or three rounds. Most are made by the leading manufacturers anyway and WILL improve your golf.


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Are you guilty of buying a ball because the pros use it, knowing that a cheaper one that spins less but goes further might suit your game more? Indeed are you a ball snob? Tell us what ball you play and the REAL reason you use it. ED
Posted: 27/02/2007 09:52

Have switched entirely to Wilosn PX3's and Nike One Platinums.
Found that I get much less side-spin off the driver with these - much less fade/slice.
At ca. £20 each for 12, they are good value and even I can see a clear performance advantage with them.

Posted: 27/02/2007 10:29

On Sunday I played with a ProV1x for the first time and I had the best round I have had in months. I do not believe it was all down to the ball though, more a combination of some tweaks I made and the new ball.
I didn't gain (or lose) any distance off the tee with them and was not any straighter than normal.
The best gain was with my irons, I was hitting straighter and when I hit the green the ball stopped very quickly. I realise the greens are damp at the moment so it is easier to stop the ball but I was definitely
creating more spin than normal.
I did notice with my putting that I was short on most putts, lately I have used an NXT and these performed better with the putter. However, this may only be because of the softness of the ball and I may just need to practice putting slightly harder/faster. I will try out the ProV1x for a couple more rounds and make my mind up then.
Posted: 27/02/2007 10:49

I also use Wilson PX3s now having mostly used Pinnacle Exceptions. Both seem to suit my game. I have tried a lot of others Pro V1s etc but seem to get more feel from the two I've mentioned. Intend to try the Srixons again this summer as I've got the I-506 irons and I'm interested to see if the two marry in any way.
Posted: 27/02/2007 10:51

knowing that a cheaper one that spins less but goes further might suit your game more?

I'm a touch confused ? ... {although it comes naturally easy}

a ball that spins less but goes a bit further off say your tee shots might be an advantage ?? - but not always the case ... but what point is it to your iron shots into the green ?

I've kinda always assumed and looked on iron play {especially shots into the green} as being about regulated distance control achieved by strikes that attain correct trajectory which comes from a ball with proper spin characteristics to allow this ... ?

what's the point of being able to hit your 5,6,7 or any iron for that matter 10 yards or more further than present if you've got a ball that's so hot off the clubface you can't control the trajectory & spin of the thing to hold the green ?
Posted: 27/02/2007 11:35

I used to be a V1 man then moved onto the Bridgestone b330s... I just don't like the cheaper end of the market because when you putt the cheap balls click, I also find it difficult to judge chip shots with 2 layer balls (don't ask me why).

Anyway for the last two games I've played with the Nike Platinum because of a recent mag article, bought 3 and thought hey nothing ventured nothing gained... what a difference... I'd love to know if anyone else found the same.

They claim they spin less off the driver and they aren't wrong, I could lash out like crazy and it didn't seem to deviate much from the straight, it also went miles. But on the short irons it still hops onto the green and stops... Usually I only find minor differences between the premium balls but this was a revelation.
Now this is only over two games so I am going to play a few more before chucking the old balls....
Posted: 27/02/2007 11:49

I'm a mid/high handicapper, and in my time I've tried the full range of balls.
There is no doubt that I score better with a lower compression 2 piece ball than when playing with a premium ball (eg Pro V1). Drives slice and spin less, and I get better distance overall.
In my view there is little point in playing with a high spin softer ball at my handicap level as I don't hit it hard enough to generate enough spin to "control" it on the greens.
I also have passed this pearl of wisdom (I read it as a pro's recommendation on a website once) to a number of friends - there are those who have listened, and improved their game; and there are those who would never play with anything other than a premium ball.. and then they get frustrated and angry when their drives start disappearing into the trees.

Oh, and the cheaper balls last longer, and they don't make you wince as much when they DO disappear!
Posted: 27/02/2007 11:52

I am also a high handicapper and I agree completely with Paul L.

I use Maxfli Noodles, not as long as Srixon Soft Feel, but easier to judge all distances putting.

Thinking of trying Callaway Big Berthas this year, what are they like -anyone?
Posted: 27/02/2007 12:14

I am a high handicapper that is still looking for the right ball for my game.

I had a decent few rounds with the Nike Power Distance balls. Then I tried the Callaway Warbirds which were long off the tee but my short game was worse than ever.

Last weekend I shot some high scores with the Srixon ADD33's I got free with my subscription to Today's Golfer.

Although I hit high scores, my short game was impeccable and I put some of this down to the balls.

I must admit, the fact that Super Henrik Stenson uses Srixon is a plus as well.
Posted: 27/02/2007 12:19

paul that's not true with all premium balls these days... I dont like the click of a surlyn ball, and they don't stop on the green with wedges just tend to bounce off the other end. Most two piece balls are a compromise for low spin straight or spin.

I do agree that the V1 does spin off the driver and wedges so better for the lower h'cap player (I'm off 12 so not in that category). But I was amazed how the Platinum works at both ends of the scale... low spin for long straight drives and higher spin for wedges for drop n stop.
It's a four piece ball which is usually aimed at higher swing speeds (which I am not), I've tried four piece in the past like the hogan apex tour and the v1x but couldn't get much distance (they had to be really compressed to get the most out of them).

Which is why I'm hoping someone on GM will try 3 balls and see if they get the same results...
I played a course I've played a number of times before, hit a par 4 with a 3 wood and reached the green (normally 10 yards back), and had the longest straightest drives of my life !!! Now it;s only 2 games and the honeymoon may end...
Posted: 27/02/2007 12:21

Stuart, you have just reminded me that I have a few sleeves of B330s lying around somewhere, great ball. I will have to dig these out tonight. I like the B330s as they don't seem to scuff as much as ProV1's. The Srixon Soft Feel, AD333's and NXT's are my usual preference as they take ages to scuff and are great value.
Posted: 27/02/2007 12:26

In my experience a high spin ball does not have to mean a premium cost balls for example I have been playing Dunlop Revelation (cost £3 /doz) which spin even more than a premium ball and Maxfli Noodle Rotini (cost £8/doz) which spin about the same. ( I save my premium balls for summer)

What I do notice with these balls is that they hit a bit shorter than the premium rated balls.

I use Strata Tour Ultimate (I have for years)and what I do notice with premium three and four piece balls is that there is no real loss in distance through the air compared to the (distance balls. Distance balls gain the extra length from roll after landing.

Having tried most of the premium rated balls Prov1,Ix, Hex Tour and 56, Wilson TX4 etc I find it is only very slight differences between any of them, it then comes down to persoal choice over which to choose.

My choice is more spin around the greens because this is the main scoring area for my game as my GIR is only around 50% and a softer feel on the green as I use a non insert putter.

Posted: 27/02/2007 13:51

I would add that when the original Strata came out, it is rumoured that all Topflite did was to put add a mantle, very thin third layer between the cover and the core, and the ball they did this two was the standard Topflite XL. Half a round with this ball and I was converted instantly.

At the time Maxfli bought out a ball (the Revolution) that was a combination of half wound and half solid and Precept bought out a similar ball (as used by Nick Faldo) both of which increased driver distance without sacrificing spin. It took Titliest a few years to catch up with the ProV1, as at the time the wee still concentrating on thin cover balls such as the HP and HVC.
Posted: 27/02/2007 14:03

Agree with Jim,

At the top end of the ball market, the difference between them all are so subtle that it's difficult for me to tell.

The Pro V1 - Great off Driver with a little spin to keep it in the air longer, perfect high flight with irons, lovely spin around the greens.

The Pro V1x - feels a little heavier to me and flies a few yards further off the driver and also flies slightly lower off the irons, but doesnt spin as much around the greens for me.

HX Tour - Same as Pro V1

HX Tour 56 - Same as Pro V1x

Taylor Made RED - Same as Pro V1x

Taylor Made BLACK - Same as Pro V1

Seriously, I can hardly tell a difference.


Posted: 27/02/2007 14:07

I play off 16. I have tried a V1 and didn't like it one bit. I prefer playing with a Maxfli noodle (at less than £1 a ball!)but I have enjoyed playing with a Srixon Soft Feel. Iain seems to have a similar preference, does that mean that this is the mid to high handicappers V1?
Posted: 27/02/2007 14:26

I hate Pro V1 and V1x, funnily I find them too hard putting wise and too hard with the irons.

I normally use NXT Tours or Hex Red's but recently have been trying the Srixon AD333 which seems nicely balanced for the winter months.

My main requirement is a nice feel for putting, not overly soft but not too hard.
Posted: 27/02/2007 16:57

Yup same here,found the pro v's to hard with the irons,i use nxt tours,i play off 7 and find them a good all round ball,good distance and good spin... i find i can spin the ball at will with anything from an 8 iron in my hand.
Posted: 27/02/2007 18:15

Oops sorry folks, hit the submit key twice.
Posted: 27/02/2007 20:46

The type of balls yopu use are surely a matter of personal choice. How doe we hit the ball, high, low, straight(ish) fade, draw.... How do we scramble around the green? its all related.

I used to use the Maxfli M3 balls a few years ago, they were soft(ish) with good feel and I preferred them to the pro v1s. I felt that around the greens they were better suited to my game. They worked well off the wedges and they putted well. So just when you get confident in using them, what happens, they get superseded and disappear.

I have used the proV1s but feel they are just too firm around the greens. I had a brief try with one of the srixon balls last year, but, it wasn't just right. I may try the TM red before the start of this season, but, sods law, if I like it's carachteristics, it will be remodeled before the end of the season.

Instead of striving for that extra 3 yards off the tee, why don't the ball manufacturers give us the details of what the ball can really do where it counts, around and on the green.
Posted: 27/02/2007 20:46

did read today that Nike are prototyping a square ball

Apparantly puts the stopping power of the Pro V1 to shame!


Posted: 27/02/2007 22:53

^^

quality !

:o)
Posted: 27/02/2007 22:54

What happened to the lawsuit Callaway made against Acushnet, alleging that the Titleist Pro V1 infringed on four or more golf ball patents owned by Callaway? After Callaway took over Top-Flite from bankruptcy are the new top flites still considered rocks?

I had mentioned in an earlier thread that my 2 hcap partner had a brain transplant & didnt realise he was playing a pinnacle exception rather than his fav NXT tour. He was playing brilliant but then moaned when he realised he'd played the wrong ball several fairways back and someone has his beloved NXT? When I told him his score he still moaned about his lost NXT & how crap an exception was. So I think we can call him a ball snob. I did!

Bob. thanks for the DX2 softs. ooooh like butter when you middle it! I know its winter but 7yrds of spin from the pitch mark? Your making this game harder but more fun for me :-)


Posted: 28/02/2007 00:36

Square Nike balls... LMAO :))

I have tried all the premium balls and most of the cheaper alternatives, either buying a sleeve to test or using a pick up for a while.

Pro V1x always seems the best performer for me under pressure but they dont last long enough and tear v easily which is why I only use new ones in comps.

HX Tour & Srixon ZUR are great and ~ 1 club longer than the ProV1x but are not as good around the green or esp off the putter. Distance control is also much much tighter with the ProV1x IMO.
Posted: 28/02/2007 00:57


Taz
I think that as Bob says, premium balls have become fairly consistent in performance and if you want to pay big bucks for a ball that perhaps isn't really suitable for your game - fine - belief is a wonderful thing.

There has also been big strides in cheaper balls and the performance criteria is more suitable for mid to high handicappers. The Pinnacle Exception is probably the finest example of a 'do-it-all' ball at a sensible price.

Trouble is - it says Pinnacle on the cover - how uncool is that?
Could never live that down in the 19th - think of the p!ss taking.

:o)


Posted: 28/02/2007 08:28

Martin K
It depends on which Topflite you mean as the range offers different balls for different people.

Fen
Class


Posted: 28/02/2007 09:44

I was going to put my tongue firmly in cheek and rave about Donnay branded balls at £3.49 for 15, then realised that the irony might be lost, so I'll share this little truth with you instead. I have not purchased a ball for over a year and my stock level is growing all the time thanks to all of you mis-hitters out there. I must have every ball available on the market and honestly can't tell the difference between most of them. It's my standard of playing that's the limiting factor.
Posted: 28/02/2007 17:35

I love the maxfli black max ball. I think it's better than the pro v1. The ball performs very well for me, I consistently hit the black max farther than other balls including the pro v1 and it stops when I want it to. I have tried playing with cheaper two piece balls and I can honestly tell a difference.
Posted: 28/02/2007 17:43

I was told at a Titleist demo day that according to the flightscope when I used the Pro V there was too much spin and would be better off with the NXT or Noodle. So I went and bought 6 dozen Nike Power distance super soft.
Posted: 28/02/2007 22:07

As you might expect i play Dunlop golf balls, the Revelation and LoCo's are all that i carry.

They suit my game perfectly, i find them long, straight and with sufficient stoppability when needed.

Last game i played i hit 13/14 fairways, i also use a LoCo Pro driver (not the cheap thing that Sports soccer are selling - the real deal) it seems to be a perfect ball/driver marriage, at least for me.

On a sidenote... Titleist NXT tours are fantastic, if i couldnt ever hit a Dunlop ball again i'd use NXT tours without any problem - ball snob? i dont think so.
Posted: 01/03/2007 19:17

I have just recently ventured into the market for high end balls. I really like the Nike Ones Tiger Balls and when it is warm weather, I seem to hit them as well as any. The ProV1s seem a little rock like. The Bridgestones work very well around the green because they seem to spin very well. But I have tgo say for the most part the difference is nil. I find that the inexpensive balls like Titleist So Lo work every bit as well and are easy on my pocketbook.
Posted: 07/03/2007 00:54

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